Cleaning The Rims

[Ultimate Repsol]

What is everyone cleaning their rims with ? I seem to have a lot of brake dust build up on my repsol, there also seems to be a oily substance on them too. I have been told not to rub on them very much or they will turn yellow. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks in advance.

[cb1974]

I use the Honda Polish. Works fantastic on the rims for me.

[Big Kahuna]

But Honda polish has specifically been linked to discoloration of the rims. Not sure if it's solely the fault of the Honda Polish, but check around on the web, a lot of guys have took the paint off the rims using that stuff. Also, not sure if it's just an '05 problem or not. I haven't heard any complaints about the rims on the '07, but then they haven't been out long. :)

I use good old fashion soap and water. Works great every time and definitely won't damage the rims. :)

[wickedwrestler]

i have an 07 and i have the same problem.

[cb1974]

Really, honda polish has taken your paint off?

[Thrasher]

:eek: The oily substance is chain lube it will stop around 400 miles at least mine did and yes even on 07s the paint seems to wanna come off, this is total retardation on the part of Honda, I have used only gentle cleaners and seen orange on the rag now I wish I hadnt bought 4 cans of that Honda spray, but then again it could be anything:eek:

[marccbr]

I use Honda Polish and a white micro cloth and have never had any orange paint come off on the rag.

[RR4RepsolRider]

I use S100, here's the link. I bought it on a local bike shop here in Antelope, CA. I live in Lincoln, CA., not too far from where I live. I bought it for $6.50, had a great discount.
So far, I haven't seen any paint come off on my 07. I got my bike March 14. Good Luck.

http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/detail.cfm?model_ID=0&Category_ID=0&manufacturer_ID=331&product_ID=13233&sblid_name=S_____Detail_and_Wax_____oz__Aerosol

:)

[6speed]

ive used honda polish on my stock wheels and had orange rub off. when i used meguires quik detailer it didnt

[Mother]

I used plexus and had some yellowish color show up on the white towel, but that was only on the back wheel. I'm pretty sure it was the white lithium grease that Honda likes to coat the chain with before shipping the bikes and not the paint rubbing off.

[1eyebrother]

I havent even washed my bike yet.....:( The weather here has sucked ass lately, we even got some more snow last week.....

[silvercbr]

I wonder is the paint we are seeing on the rags after cleaning is normal (as normal as it can be). Most rims are black, with black brake dust, so we may have been rubbing off black paint on those rims when cleaning. I can't see it being the pigment or chemical makeup of the paint that would cause it to react with cleaners.

I am going to test some other sprays tomorrow when I hit the local bike shop, my rear rims is damn greasy and nasty.

[psuntlion]

Holy @%^^!!! I just cleaned the wheels on my week-old Repsol for the 1st time yesterday - what a pain! I tried using some Maguires detail spray and it wouldn't take off the brake dust so I used some waterless-cleaner-in-a-can (Turtlewax, I think). I'm going to get some of this Honda stuff that you guys are talking about to see if that works better. Geez...

[silvercbr]

This is what I use, called Motorcycle Stuff. I got it from the local Suzuki dealer.

http://www.amotostuff.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?store_code=AML&screen=PROD&product_code=365-1001

I used it on my wheels today. Sprayed a little on and wipe, every bit of grease and dust came off in a few wipes, and no orange on the rag what so ever. I have used this spray polish/cleaner for two years because I had a solid black 05 600RR and it kept all superficial scratches to a minimum when cleaning. Works awesome on removing dried bugs from the front of the bike as well.

[silvercbr]

Here is a pic and proof that there are products out there that will not take the paint off the rims. The pic shows my super clean rim, the spray polish I use, and the rag with zero hints of orange on it.

[NEFF]

man, your right....no orange on it, but....I did see a buger.:D

[silvercbr]

man, your right....no orange on it, but....I did see a buger.:D

Yes, the polish even removed boogers that have been there for years.:D

This is the best polish/cleaner I have used yet! Now that I have my Hayden sticker kit installed, I will start using it to clean the entire bike because it cleans and puts down a layer of wax to protect the paint.

[1eyebrother]

I will have to try the Honda polish, I just got done washing the bike and the rims were a pain in the ass.....soap and water wasnt doing anything to the chain lube on my rear rim....will grab some hp and see what happens.....

[salvaje]

Had this same issues with my Repsol. Simply used gasoline on the tip of a towel and all the chain grease comes right off the rim. No rub off.
Than I just clean the rim one last time with soapand water.

[crdhelipad]

hello guys :D i been using WD40 it woks fantasic on colored wheels (ie repsol) i owned 87 kawi ninja 600 with white wheels !! i used then and i use it now on both repsols, it removes chain lube like nothing (word of caution do not spray on to wheels it will get on brake disc :eek: and they will not work as well ) spray on a rag being carefull not to touch disc!!!!!:D

[silvercbr]

When using WD40, keep in mind that it is a petroleum product and will leave a little residue behind. This residue will attract dust like a magnet. It is like when you spill gas on the side of your car, then it is the first place that dust and dirt with start to build up.

The polish I mentioned takes the chain lube off like it was dust with one wipe. It also leaves a coat of wax behind to make the next cleaning easier. Just my .02

[crdhelipad]

Sorry i clean wheels with WD40, THEN wash it off with soap and water.
:)

[1eyebrother]

just got done cleaning my rims with the honda polish and it worked great....:D didn't take any paint off the riims at all....that is some good stuff, need to order a few more cans before it is gone....:(

[cb1974]

the honda polish and it worked great....:D didn't take any paint off the riims at all....that is some good stuff, need to order a few more cans before it is gone....:(

+ 1

[djalkyd]

i have always used WD40. My rims stay clean longer and I ride 60 miles a day for work and even more on the weekend.

I wash my bike every sunday and I rarely have break dust build up due to WD40 and I have not seen any orange come off on my rags.

[Geepaks]

I use WD-40 as well

[KeVsDesiRE]

^ First time I've seen usage of WD-40. I should give it a try. I use Eagle One A2Z All Wheel Cleaner and love it. Spray it on, let it sit for a minute, then hose it off. Works everytime.

[silvercbr]

^ First time I've seen usage of WD-40. I should give it a try. I use Eagle One A2Z All Wheel Cleaner and love it. Spray it on, let it sit for a minute, then hose it off. Works everytime.

That is surprising that WD40 works so well from keeping the dust off. There must be an additive that repels dust in the product. I will have to keep that in mind.

[cb1974]

That is surprising that WD40 works so well from keeping the dust off. There must be an additive that repels dust in the product. I will have to keep that in mind.

I agree. I just cleaned my rims (again) with only honda polish and only black on the rag. I have never had that issue with my 05 either. I wonder what in the hell causes that issue for some people.

[Goazfastrr]

If you want to save yourself alot of work just clean them good once, windex em off to get cleaner residue off, then wax them with a good carnuba or paste wax. After that the lube wont stick and to maintain a quick wipe with honda polish and they are done.

ps: honda polish is my second most favorite stuff next to duct tape:D

[Jacobs Dad]

I have got the best solution for you guys. Finally washed the repsol for the first time this weekend, and the back wheel cum was stuck on there bad. Normally I would use Wesleys bleche-white tire cleaner (which is great for tires, pulls th dirt out without scrubbing, also good for carpet stains on the interior, I know I used to detail cars long ago), but after hearing about the orange paint possibly coming off, I said no. I used Rain-X bug & tar gel. Spray it on let it soak and wipe the grime right off, then just rinse. It is clear-coat safe,and NO ORANGE. Left the wheels clean and shiny. By the way, BK, when is Mike getting some CZ wheels back in. I must have them !!!!!!!!:D :D

[Big Kahuna]

By the way, BK, when is Mike getting some CZ wheels back in. I must have them !!!!!!!!:D :DActually, I believe he's expecting at least one new set any day now. Call him up!!!

[ZZGIXXER]

i normally clean my wheels with warm water and some dish washing soap, it leaves my wheels very clean....no paint comes off. once in a while use wd40 it all depends on how you use it. there is some stuff out there on the roads, some times you really need be careful how you clean them.

i've heard lot of that paint coming off from wheels.

[cowboyadam]

I used Simple Green on a rag the first time i cleaned them. Then waxed them with a good wax. Now all i have to do is use some glass cleaner or a quick detailer spray and they look great. No orange for me either.

[MEGA]

hello guys :D i been using WD40 it woks fantasic on colored wheels (ie repsol) i owned 87 kawi ninja 600 with white wheels !! i used then and i use it now on both repsols, it removes chain lube like nothing (word of caution do not spray on to wheels it will get on brake disc :eek: and they will not work as well ) spray on a rag being carefull not to touch disc!!!!!:D

wd40 takes off the clear coat.

[salvaje]

I told you guys, use a little gas and all your worries are gone.....

[MEGA]

I agree. I just cleaned my rims (again) with only honda polish and only black on the rag. I have never had that issue with my 05 either. I wonder what in the hell causes that issue for some people.

WD40 causes the issue! GRRRR!

[daminhtran]

I use Simple Green Max Metal. I washed my Repsol for the first time yesterday and the Simple Green made cleaning my rims easy, especially the rear one with all the chain grease and brake dust that builds up there. Just spray on, let it set and wipe off. I used the regular Simple Green bottle to clean my M-16 when I was going through USMC bootcamp and it was great. I didn't notice any paint come off the rim but of course, if you don't feel comfortable then please don't use it. Here's the link if you want to read up on it.

http://consumer.simplegreen.com/cons_prod_met.php

[Repsol47]

I use S100, here's the link. I bought it on a local bike shop here in Antelope, CA. I live in Lincoln, CA., not too far from where I live. I bought it for $6.50, had a great discount.
So far, I haven't seen any paint come off on my 07. I got my bike March 14. Good Luck.

http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/detail.cfm?model_ID=0&Category_ID=0&manufacturer_ID=331&product_ID=13233&sblid_name=S_____Detail_and_Wax_____oz__Aerosol

:)

Hey bro,

Greetings from your neighbor in Rocklin.

[NABROS-REPSOL]

I got this cleaner/polish from the local honda store- i spray it and then wipe off with a dry cloth- removed all of the grease etc.. In one swipe...will send the name of the stuff once i get back home...
i use it on the bike as well to polish the tank etc

[The Doctor]

I have got past the grease on the wheel stage on mine, but cleaned my bro's for him before Laguna.

Armor All Wipes............Everything came off a treat and left them nice and shiney.
Just be careful not to make contact with your tire.

Borofc

[MeanMachine]

WD40 causes the issue! GRRRR
it works well but seems to tak off the clear coat.

Mega, part of the problem is there is NO clear coat on the rims to start with. Honda does NOT clearcoat the rims, they are just painted.

[1eyebrother]

I just use water and soap now...until I lube the chain again...then I will use Honda polish to clean that mess after the first ride with the new chain lube...seems to work for me...

[RR4RepsolRider]

Hi SilverCBR,
What kind or brand of polish are you using that doesn't smir off the orange paint?
:mad:

[hondapowered]

But Honda polish has specifically been linked to discoloration of the rims. Not sure if it's solely the fault of the Honda Polish, but check around on the web, a lot of guys have took the paint off the rims using that stuff. Also, not sure if it's just an '05 problem or not. I haven't heard any complaints about the rims on the '07, but then they haven't been out long. :)

I use good old fashion soap and water. Works great every time and definitely won't damage the rims. :)

I agree I am going to try some of that new concentrated OXY palmolive ultra plus :confused2:

Has anybody used PJ1 chain lube , the just came out wiht the new heavy duty BLACK LABEL like $10 a can 17oz, SO I got it , tried it, and now by wheels are BLACK :mad::mad::mad:

I followed the directions on the can, there is no info on how long before you can ride after the stuff has been applied :confused2:

This is gonna be hours of good old fashioin elbow grease :sleep:

I have the HH pads on front and rear so the brake dust is out of controll now and to top it off the PJ1 BLACK LABEL has done just that mixed wiht some brake dust I have now a black rear wheel :mad: oh that sucks

SO anybody having any trouble eiht PJ1 chain liube?
SO anybody having rouble with excess brake dust from the HH pads? I think they are ceramic, but does all this excessive dust mean that the HH pads have a short life for street riders? :eek:

Thanks in advance to all my ONE EYED BRUTHA'S & SISTA'S

[DavesRepsol]

Soap & water for the rims, it does take time but I wipe mine down after EVERY Ride, I find it is easier to keep clean if you dont let it get dirty..........:evilgrin:

[Xtim8719X]

I use Bug & Tar remover on my wheels, removes dust and oil/chain lube extremely easy. I've never had any rub off of my wheels, but i dont have to scrub them....

[hondapowered]

I use Bug & Tar remover on my wheels, removes dust and oil/chain lube extremely easy. I've never had any rub off of my wheels, but i dont have to scrub them....

What brand tar & bug? Do you have the 05 or 07??? I plan on using some mequiars gold class after they are clean but I once used a natural cirus cleaner and a terry towel , BAM orange paint came off easily :mad:

[cowboyadam]

What brand tar & bug? Do you have the 05 or 07??? I plan on using some mequiars gold class after they are clean but I once used a natural cirus cleaner and a terry towel , BAM orange paint came off easily :mad:

Citrus cleaners are gonna be pretty harsh cause all the acid. I use simple green sprayed on a

rag and grease comes right off. Use a good wax in between to save from scrubbin so much.

[justanother1]

I wash mine with car soap and the paint still comes right off. Everything product I've tried gives me the same result. We went as far as signing a petition on another forum and send it directly to Honda and we were blown off. Same thing going to the dealership. I guess the only solution is to clear coat them.

[ZZGIXXER]

Soap & water for the rims, it does take time but I wipe mine down after EVERY Ride, I find it is easier to keep clean if you dont let it get dirty..........:evilgrin:


rims get cleaner lot faster with soap and warm water, all the dirts and slime comes out quick after that get a clean rag and wipe them out.

[hondapowered]

I wash mine with car soap and the paint still comes right off. Everything product I've tried gives me the same result. We went as far as signing a petition on another forum and send it directly to Honda and we were blown off. Same thing going to the dealership. I guess the only solution is to clear coat them.

It seems that not everybody has this problem , like 2005 versus 2007 :confused2: so must be a limited thing, maybye not enough of a percentage of defects to make this an unofficial recall or offer a solution? hmmmm, do you think the marchesni, or carrozerria have this problem???? :p

[SIXDOG]

I use soap and water and haven't had a problem with paint coming off...the warm water thing does work well.

[hondapowered]

ALRIGHT 4 hours of scrubbing that would be me and the wife at 2 hours each and the rear wheel is like 60% done, not to mention the hard interior wheel part of the mag is not done :mad:

I REPEAT NO PJ1 BLACK LABEL :eek:

I have used thier other products in the past like the blue one etc.... never had this kind of problem, when they say HEAVY DUTY, damn I mean this is ridiculous :(

The chain was clean and dry before application, I rode a little to warm things up, I wiped excess off. Then I rode for about 2.5 hours onlyto find I now sport a cool black tar rim. I mean just as if I had rode thru a puddle of tar that they use to pave asphalt with :weirdface::confused2::weirdface:

I have found this stuff on the tail underside, in the heat shielding, along my exhaust, under my plate, all over the hugger, on the rear linkage and shock, in the repsol colors on the tail underside, on the rear sets, the swingarm, inside the space in the swingarm, all over the rear underside even found a few spiderwebbs across the rear tail cowl???????

The stuff is like the stickiest gumm that you ever had to cut out of a young girl's head, like some black licorice laffy taffy mixed wiht melted electrical tape, the stuff wont brake down at all. I am using hot soapy water wiht palmolive ultra concentrated wiht oxy power. You can barley wash this stuff of your hands under running water and yet you have to rub a 2" wide by 4" long basicaly two fingers together on a terry towel for like what seems 25 or 30 passes before it breaks down, smears, and then slowly disapates :confused2:

SO SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS, and think of all the places I can't even see and my girl was clean washed once a weeek, wiped wiht quick detailers mist before and after every ride ARRRRRRRRRR :mad:

[Razor]

hello guys :D i been using WD40 it woks fantasic on colored wheels (ie repsol) i owned 87 kawi ninja 600 with white wheels !! i used then and i use it now on both repsols, it removes chain lube like nothing (word of caution do not spray on to wheels it will get on brake disc :eek: and they will not work as well ) spray on a rag being carefull not to touch disc!!!!!:D



I agree i use WD40 on mine and not a spec of yellow/orange and it makes the rims shine like f**k but you have to watch the disc's.

[Nakkers]

2 words Mr. sheen cleans the whole bike especially rims !

[Xtim8719X]

What brand tar & bug? Do you have the 05 or 07??? I plan on using some mequiars gold class after they are clean but I once used a natural cirus cleaner and a terry towel , BAM orange paint came off easily :mad:

I'll check what brand the kind i'm using right now is, but i've used a few different brands and all have worked great. I will say that the kind in aerosol cans works a lil bit better than in spray bottles...My Reppie is an 07', i've put about 5,000 miles on it, and keep it very clean. Never had any rub of from the rims...

[Jacobs Dad]

I'll check what brand the kind i'm using right now is, but i've used a few different brands and all have worked great. I will say that the kind in aerosol cans works a lil bit better than in spray bottles...My Reppie is an 07', i've put about 5,000 miles on it, and keep it very clean. Never had any rub of from the rims...

RAIN-X BUG AND TAR REMOVER. Works like a charm with no scrubbing.

[hondapowered]

RAIN-X BUG AND TAR REMOVER. Works like a charm with no scrubbing.

Well under normal circumstances I would agree, but this was fresh brake dust from the new HH pads mixed with this crazy PJ1 new BLACK LABEL, so heavy duty chain lube that is extremley tar like so it wont fly off the chain but it mixed with the brake dust and made some wierd taffy like substance. I got some simple green TAR & BUG remover and some shop towels with warm water and some more good old fashion extremely slippery palmolive (not dawn) that stuff strips like crazy but the palmolive breakes the stuff down.

I guess I will use some mcguiears gold class to seal them up this time DAMN

[Jacobs Dad]

Well under normal circumstances I would agree, but this was fresh brake dust from the new HH pads mixed with this crazy PJ1 new BLACK LABEL, so heavy duty chain lube that is extremley tar like so it wont fly off the chain but it mixed with the brake dust and made some wierd taffy like substance. I got some simple green TAR & BUG remover and some shop towels with warm water and some more good old fashion extremely slippery palmolive (not dawn) that stuff strips like crazy but the palmolive breakes the stuff down.

I guess I will use some mcguiears gold class to seal them up this time DAMN

Everyone has that problem, and everyone has a solution. Just saying that the rain-x is gel like and you let it sit a bit and wipe it off and spray it off after.

[salvaje]

Good old ***GAS***. Nothing more, nothing less..

[hondapowered]

Everyone has that problem, and everyone has a solution. Just saying that the rain-x is gel like and you let it sit a bit and wipe it off and spray it off after.

Alright I feel ya , I am not trying to shoot down your suggestions :rocketlauncher:

I would like to say that the suggestion you offered, I think it was you JD of using the simple green was a good idea :D

the simple green does work wiht minimal elbow power required but it turns the rag green and has some added sticky-ness as well, SO overall great suggestion just use with caution, THANKS MUCH TO ALL MY 1 EYED BRUTHAS

:sweet::beer::dblthumbsup:

[hondapowered]

It can be done 2 more hours of work, half a bottle of simple green, like over a dozen shop towels. Had to remove the hugger, chain guard, passenger pegs, heel guards, and a cowl piece. The parts are all clean, the wheels clean, and my back BROKEN LOL well take a look :p

oh btw check the Gcraft resi, new Galfer Lines front and rear OVERSIZED superbike diameter, and the upgraded HH pads both front and rear WHEW now I can stop so I am safer>>>>>>> or tell my right wrist to behave :p

If you look close you can see my custom REPSOL forum license plate :evilgrin:

[salvaje]

HP, now you have to invest the time and remove those rear reflectors and grind the left over rear brake reservior brackets. While your at it remove the warning devices under the foot pegs, LOL, for the low turns.

"Attention to details."

She looks great.

[Xtim8719X]

RAIN-X BUG AND TAR REMOVER. Works like a charm with no scrubbing.


Sorry so late with a reply, but mine was also RainX, but i also used Gumout brand, it was the best, i've used.

[DavesRepsol]

It can be done 2 more hours of work, half a bottle of simple green, like over a dozen shop towels. Had to remove the hugger, chain guard, passenger pegs, heel guards, and a cowl piece. The parts are all clean, the wheels clean, and my back BROKEN LOL well take a look :p

oh btw check the Gcraft resi, new Galfer Lines front and rear OVERSIZED superbike diameter, and the upgraded HH pads both front and rear WHEW now I can stop so I am safer>>>>>>> or tell my right wrist to behave :p

If you look close you can see my custom REPSOL forum license plate :evilgrin:

Looks great HP, +1 on grinding off the brake bracket, Love the brake lines, I am hoping that Donna will get me SS lines for x-mas.

One problem though You washed it so hard that it put chicken strips back on the tire again............LOL:evilgrin:

[rsxscrazy]

Well im pissed. I got on here read this entire thread but mis read it....

ive got a 05.

Don't use. Mean green or turtle wax f21 wheel cleaner. both will pull the paint off leaving the yellow on the rag. So i guess i need to go back and get simple green LOL!

[Hondaman69]

To everyone who said they use soap and water, what type of saop are you talking about?
dishwashing soap or what?
I will also get the honda polish because I an the type of guy who does not wait for the rims to get too dirty before I would wash them.:D

[USA Saffa]

I use Liquid Performance Cleaner. Superb! Aside from the awkward positions you have to get your body into to clean the rims, the stuff works like a gem.

I live in CA (Southern) and they have taken the Honda cleaner off the market due to emissions control B F’ing S. We are allowed to drive Hummers and fat assed SUV's that get less than 10mpg, but heavens forbid we use an aerosol cleaner. Tosser law makers with their double standards.

[JohnnyComeLately]

I've used Honda Cleaner and Polish, WD-40, Brake Cleaner, Windex, and Simple Green. I'd have to say I like the Simple Green best because it cleans faster, wipes up easier and is cheaper/easier to buy (any store VS Honda dealer). I liked the Windex next, but I think you have to keep really on top of it for this to work. I wipe my rims almost after every ride. Honda polish 3rd, brake cleaner 4th (great if you really let your rims go), and WD-40 last. I really don't use WD-40 that much anymore for anything.

The Honda dealer was out of stock pads, so I got the HH. Do they really dust bad? If so I might return the pads...

I have some Orange come off almost no matter what I use....all of the above have resulted in some Orange at times on the towel.

At $4.00 a gallon, you'll never find me cleaning *ANYTHING* with gas. I envision newpaper articles with people cleaning loaded rifles with gasoline around a campfire anytime I think of someone using gas to clean....it probably seemed like a good idea until *BOOM*!!

[hondapowered]

I've used Honda Cleaner and Polish, WD-40, Brake Cleaner, Windex, and Simple Green. I'd have to say I like the Simple Green best because it cleans faster, wipes up easier and is cheaper/easier to buy (any store VS Honda dealer). I liked the Windex next, but I think you have to keep really on top of it for this to work. I wipe my rims almost after every ride. Honda polish 3rd, brake cleaner 4th (great if you really let your rims go), and WD-40 last. I really don't use WD-40 that much anymore for anything.

The Honda dealer was out of stock pads, so I got the HH. Do they really dust bad? If so I might return the pads...

I have some Orange come off almost no matter what I use....all of the above have resulted in some Orange at times on the towel.

At $4.00 a gallon, you'll never find me cleaning *ANYTHING* with gas. I envision newpaper articles with people cleaning loaded rifles with gasoline around a campfire anytime I think of someone using gas to clean....it probably seemed like a good idea until *BOOM*!!

YES the HH pads cause more dust but they are so much safer to stop with :eek:

[Repsol47]

HP...you need to update post #63.
You are sporting the ol silver swingarm, playa.
O....and the stock rearsets. :puke:

[hondapowered]

HP...you need to update post #63.
You are sporting the ol silver swingarm, playa.
O....and the stock rearsets. :puke:

GOOD POINT , lets fix it shall we :evilgrin:

[hondapowered]

Looks great HP, +1 on grinding off the brake bracket, Love the brake lines, I am hoping that Donna will get me SS lines for x-mas.

One problem though You washed it so hard that it put chicken strips back on the tire again............LOL:evilgrin:

I think I will leave the bracket for now :confused2: I want to get some info on a racing lighter reinforced subframe and may just want to keep this one stock as an unmodified part......

[hondapowered]

HP, now you have to invest the time and remove those rear reflectors and grind the left over rear brake reservior brackets. While your at it remove the warning devices under the foot pegs, LOL, for the low turns.

"Attention to details."

She looks great.

DONE, DONE , & DONE I did forget the reflectors but the michelin man on my rear tire looks like he got in a scrap, the rear sets HELLA better for lean angles, and the resi bracket stays for now :evilgrin: