How many?

[wickedwrestler]

does any one know how many repsols were made in 05 and 07? I heard it was 400 in 05 but i have no clue? any anwers?

[cb1974]

I heard 1500 in 05, not sure about 07, but i would guess it would be around the same number.

[MeanMachine]

I have read alot of threads in other forums discussing this same question. I know of a few people that called Honda and asked, only to be told "we can't release that information". If that is true, then that kills alot of Honda's credibility with me. This is supposed to be a limited edition bike, and if they refuse to disclose the production numbers then it leads me to beleive there are ALOT more than they will let on. Why would you refuse to disclose how many were made? There is not another limited production vehicle that I can think of where the manufacturer refuses to say how many were built, just that they were limited. Limited is a very vague term.

This question has been asked since 2005 and no one has been able to get an answer yet. I am starting to feel very disillusioned with Honda. :( We own Repsols and yet we are not allowed to know how many of our bikes were made?

[MeanMachine]

We need to collectively bug the living $#!% out of Honda until they come clean and tell us numbers. If they don't, I will go a step further and write a letter to the editor of a few of the sportbike magazines and explain this whole situation. They would probably love to do an article on this if Honda refuses to disclose how many were made. Maybe some good old fashioned bad press and Honda bashing in the magazines will loosen thier lips.

We all heard the "500 in the US", and "one per dealership" crap. Pure BS. I have seen MANY dealerships get more than one. Some larger dealers had as many as four at one time. So those were all sales pitches, ie: Lies.

And another farce exposed. You do NOT need a Vin # to order replacement Repsol parts/stickers. I checked with 3 Honda dealers here in NC, and they all said "thats not necessary, who told you that?"

This is really pissing me off (can you tell?).....

[djalkyd]

I went to 8 dealerships in So Cal before I got my bike. Each dealer got 3-4 bikes when released in March and said they would probably get 3-4 more in July. So how limited, they will be the tootsie pop mystery, the world may never know.

[Jacobs Dad]

I asked the same ?, My dealer told me 500 in 2005 and 350 in 2007, but we all know that is wrong. Just look at everyones vin # on this site. If we knew how many honda dealers in the U.S. we could do a rough "guesstimate".

[1eyebrother]

My buddy is a service manager for the local Honda dealer....I will talk to him and see if he can make a call and find out for sure.....I ordered my bike the day it was announced from Honda...I called my buddy and the Honda rep was there at the dealer so he ordered my bike.....the Honda rep said only 500 bikes were made for the 07.....they were not a straight run(numbered 1-500), he said you would see bikes numbered from 1-how ever many 1000rr were made....I will call him and get some more info on the subject....

[MeanMachine]

I spent almost an hour on the phone with Honda Corporate today, and was told that they will NOT disclose how many were produced, period. They said that was "proprietary information" and could not be made public. So I asked why dealers were giving us the "500 in the US", and "one per dealership" crap and he said that was the dealers sales tactics and not necessarily accurate. Nice... So I said to him that for all we know there could be more Repsols than one of the other less popular colors and he said "thats possible".

In short, it was nothing more than a big hoax. Its all BS, pure and simple. The only recourse we have would be to file a class action lawsuit since we were mislead into beleiving that we were buying a limited production motorcycle. Thats fraud. We were told limited production then we have a right to proof of that, ie: how many. Dealers have been and continue to lie telling everyone the same BS stories, and some even charging higher than sticker since it is a "rare" *cough cough, chuckle chuckle bike.

As I said earlier, writing to a few of the sport bike magazines and filling them in on this would give them a nice story they could run. Publications like to put the spotlight on a manufacturer in cases like this. Let Honda look like SH#@ publically and see how fast they change.

I almost wish I would have bought the Special Edition R-1 instead. I hate to say it, but I have been brand loyal to Honda for a long long time, and my last words to the representative on the phone today was: "You and Honda can go F&%$ yourselves".

This sucks... it truly sucks ass. I am not half as happy now as I was last week before I actually learned more about this subject.

[wickedwrestler]

do you really think filling a lawsuit would win in court?

[MeanMachine]

do you really think filling a lawsuit would win in court?

Considering that many of us paid more for the Repsol (sticker is $500.00 higher), dealerships told us all fictional statistics to push sales, and Honda itself showcased this as a limited production model... yes. Fraud is fraud, plain and simple. At the very least Honda would have to publically release the true production numbers to substantiate thier claim of "limited production". And if the production numbers in relation to other colors do not support the claim of "limited", we would be entitled to some sort of settlement because the bikes would have been sold under false pretences. Plus, anyone who was foolish enough to buy one from a dealer that added a markup would have recourse against that dealership as well.

No matter the outcome, Honda would take a big public bitch slap in the face (which they rightfully deserve).

[diel11]

I've heard anything from 800 to 3700 made. It does leave something to be desired when Honda won't divulge information like that. I bought mine because I like the way it looks, and even though it was being sold as Limited Edition, for $500 more I really wasn't expecting something too limited. Especially when the bike is exactly the same as the regular 1krr. I bet the titanium one is more limited than the Repsol. The R1 was a truly limited bike, costing a lot more but having all kinds of upgraded parts. The Ducati Desmo at $60k, another truly limited edition. Really thinking about that one too! But I agree, for them to not want to let us know, the people that went out and gave them our $, that's not right at all.

[MeanMachine]

I bet the titanium one is more limited than the Repsol.

You could be right on the money. Which is why the representative I spoke to replied "thats possible" when I said "for all we know there could be more Repsols than one of the other less popular colors".

Thats the reason they wont tell us the numbers. If another color had a smaller production run it not only makes them look bad, but pretty much shoot holes in thier marketing campaign.

I also agree that, for an extra $500.00 I love the color scheme. Its more principle at this point. If its just a color option, fine, tell us. But don't play all these games and hype it up just to make a sales pitch. Like I said before, I have been brand loyal for years, and a true Honda supporter. This has poisoned my love for Honda as I am sure it will many others. You just don't treat your customers like this.

I was very proud to have #210 of what I THOUGHT was 500 (at least here in the US). I feel like I got a swift kick in the ass from someone I thought highly of.

[Jacobs Dad]

That is a real bite in the ass. At the very least Cycle World or another mag should run a story on it and expose them for that. I did buy mine for the color scheme, but also because it was to be a limited run. I was actually considering the black with red flames zx-10r, this needs to be brought out in the public eye.

[MeanMachine]

That is a real bite in the ass. At the very least Cycle World or another mag should run a story on it and expose them for that. I did buy mine for the color scheme, but also because it was to be a limited run. I was actually considering the black with red flames zx-10r, this needs to be brought out in the public eye.


One of the major Cycle Magazines would probably love to research this and run the story.

[djalkyd]

well i work with a lot of magazine people so i will see if we have any connections to any bike magazines. if we do then i will drop a dime, well in this case, a man hole cover.

[MeanMachine]

well i work with a lot of magazine people so i will see if we have any connections to any bike magazines. if we do then i will drop a dime, well in this case, a man hole cover.


Thats cool. Maybe we can, as a forum, send something out to Sport Rider, Motor Cyclist, etc? Would it spark more interest from the editor if a group like ours contacted them as one entity rather than as individuals?

[diel11]

One thing to remember is that most of the mags get advertising money from manufacturers. They might not want to do much but it's worth a try. I got 501.

[1eyebrother]

this is my 2 cents on this issue..... when the 05 Repsol came out I wanted one very badly and here in Idaho and the surrounding area they were sold out asap....so I kept my 04 1000rr and kept dreaming of the Repsol.....the day Honda announced they were making the 07 Repsol I had mine pre-ordered not knowing the limited edition 500 or whatever, and now I have my 07 I would love to know it is limited to only 500 here in the states....not sure if we will ever have that answer or not...either way the bike cost me 500.00 more than a regular 07 CBR 1000rr which I think is worth the extra 500.00 in just the sweet ass paint job......has to be the sweetest lookin bike out since the 05 Repsol....am I mad, yes...what can I do about it,nothin really...Just glade to have an 07 Repsol parked in my garage that I indend to keep for many years....I do hope we find out how many were actually made, but I don't see that happening here in the near future....like I said just my 2 cents....:)

[MeanMachine]

So far I have not seen a 4 digit number, ie: 1012, etc. So far they have all been 0xxx.

[Jacobs Dad]

1eyebrother, I like your thinking!

[1eyebrother]

1eyebrother, I like your thinking!

thanks man....I can see if we paid 19-20,000 for the bike, but we didn't.....where I live here in Idaho I can gurantee I have the only Repsol within 300 miles.....which makes mine very limited.....:eek:

[MeanMachine]

1eyebrother, I like your thinking!

Earlier today you appeared to like my thinking... Why the change?

thanks man....I can see if we paid 19-20,000 for the bike, but we didn't.....where I live here in Idaho I can gurantee I have the only Repsol within 300 miles.....which makes mine very limited.....:eek:

So if we paid 19k for the bike, it would be worth pursuing, but since we only paid 11.5k, its OK that we were lied to? So there is a cutoff point somewhere between 11.5 and 19 thouand dollars where its either ok to be lied to or its not. What is that magic number? I'm curious.

Do I love my Repsol? YES
Am I happy I own it? YES
Was it my dream bike? YES
Do I like being deceived? Absolutely NOT

Whether we paid $1,000 or $20,000 it matters not. Some of us here might not care, fine. Then again some might feel as I do that being lied to by Honda is not acceptable.

Sure, one eye is in Idaho. Most things are limited there so he doesn't care. Someone in So Cal that stops by a dealership and sees 4 or 5 of his bike in the showroom and another in the parking lot might feel differently.

This all came about because for a couple years now the same question keeps getting asked. How many Repsols were made? There are lots of rumors, but never any answers. Then Honda says they have no intention of telling us, and admits what the dealers tell us is not true, and that another color 1000rr may in fact be more rare than our Repsols. If thats ok with you, great. If its not, then don't take it lying down.

[silvercbr]

Not only is it limited, but they keep their values way better than a standard 1000RR. Not to dog on them, but they do. Would I have bought a 1000RR is they didn't come out with a Hayden Repsol, probably not. Not that it isn't a great bike, but I didn't need this much power. I probably would have gotten a Ducati 1098 or possible Sport Classic.

I am a huge Hayden and MotoGP fan, and when I pull into a parking lot, people stop and stare. That is worth the extra money.

[yamahonda]

check out this listing....#792!! Not looking so limited at all. This is making me think of waiting a couple more months to get one. I suspect there will be a bunch sitting around and I'll get a good deal on one. As a matter of fact, one dealership I was in contact with told me they sold the second one (of the only two) they had on the floor but since they were a Honda-only dealership they had more available to them. wtf? "Oh yeah, uh, they're limited...and uh, we just sold our last one......but, if you're serious I can get you one, I got the hook up".... Please.

[yamahonda]

oops, sorry. here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CBR-2007-CBR1000RR-Like-new-Repsol-Limited-Edition766-miles_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ49999QQihZ009QQitemZ190099524041QQrdZ1

[Ultimate Repsol]

I am with MeanMachine I am pretty damn upset about this situation. I guess us North Carolina boys don't enjoy being suckered for our hard earned dollars!!:mad:

[Big Kahuna]

Limited or not limited, it's still one of the sweetest bikes ever made. For me, I wouldn't care if they made a million of them, as long as I owned at least one I'd be happy. Just think how many more members we could have here. :)

[yamahonda]

:) actually i agree BK. whatever about how many they make. Its one of the illest bikes ever! There's nothing else like it and I definitely still want one:D The funny thing is, I've heard guys talk smack about it saying it's a rip off and a $2k paint job, but you can tell that they really just wish they had one of their own;)

[Thrasher]

Heres a big zinger for you guys to ponder!!!! Jacobs Dad and I have the same last four numbers on our VINS!!!. I just went out to double check that I didnt make a mistake. I will take a picture when I get the time. WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THESE CROOKS?:eek:

[Thrasher]

Ok check this out someone said the last 5 numbers marks our bikes. Mine 00049 with a build date of 1/07:rolleyes:

[Mother]

So, can anyone show me on HONDA's website where it even says that the bike is a limited edition? You all sound so pissed off about supposedly being lied to or whatever. If, in fact, you have been lied to, then the dealers are the ones who have lied. Oh wow, imagine that... a dealership that stretches the truth to make sales and improve their profit margin. I bet none of you trust car dealerships at all. Do you really think motorcycle dealers are that different, just because they supposedly have the same passion as you? Yeah, and that really is a biker on the other end of the phone when you are calling Progressive to make your insurance payment too.

I'm not convinced that it is lies yet anyway. We will see as the year goes on how many more show up. Either way, I have an amazing performing bike that captures attention of riders and non-riders alike, and shows people "in the know" that I am a MotoGP/Nicky Hayden fan. I could not be happier with my purchase.

[Jacobs Dad]

Sorry mean machine, you have a good point, and I think a story from a magazine to blow this thing outa the water would be a good idea. I wwas just saying the one-eyed man had a good view point, and made me feel a bit better about the bike. Afterall, it isn't every day I see a resol on the road, actually I have never seen one in Georgia. So that makes me feel better, but I still think I will be contacting Cycle World today to see what they say. I will keep you guys posted.

[MeanMachine]

Heres a big zinger for you guys to ponder!!!! Jacobs Dad and I have the same last four numbers on our VINS!!!. I just went out to double check that I didnt make a mistake. I will take a picture when I get the time. WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THESE CROOKS?:eek:


You both have 2007s with 0049?

Actually that makes sense. I remarked earlier that we have not seen one with a 4 digit number, they are all 00xxx, none with 01xxx. So they have multiple VIN # runs and the first however many are Repsols which means there could be even more 00049s in 2007. Makes everyone think there are less than 1000 that way, and there are, for THAT VIN number run. There are just multiples.

This just gets better and better....

[MeanMachine]

Compare your VINs and see where they differ. No doubt at least one digit is different.

Another dagger in our hearts. Now we can't even say we have number XXX produced because there are more than one ending in that number.

HONDA can kiss my A$$.

I bet none of you trust car dealerships at all. Do you really think motorcycle dealers are that different, just because they supposedly have the same passion as you?

Actually motorcycle dealers are WORSE than car dealers ever were. They not only sell alot less, but they are severely limited in most locations due to weather, so its seasonal. And they live off commission. They would sell you a tricycle if they could talk you into buying it.

[MeanMachine]

So, can anyone show me on HONDA's website where it even says that the bike is a limited edition?

Here's one.

http://world.honda.com/news/2004/2041020.html

And there were many press releases from Honda about these. You want to wear blinders, go right ahead.

I've read the truth.

[Jacobs Dad]

Exactly, good point there double-M. I will post my vin# tonite since there is another 0049 out there and we can see what the hell is going on. I also sent Cycle World 2 threads this morning. Will see what is said, if nothing good, I am going to call the personally, especially since i know there is another 0049 out there! Proof positive, HONDA -KISS MY @#$ also.

[Mother]

Yeah, it says limited release in that article. It never says what it is limited to though. It might have been limited to 5000 units, but they only had to make 2000 to meet demand. Who really knows? All that it is is clever marketing.

I'm not wearing blinders at all, I am just accepting that marketing is part of the business.

I am a bit curious about these two who have the same end on the VIN, because that seems a little funky.

But either way I love my bike, have yet to see another one on the road here in Orlando, and get compliments on it every day that I ride it. Whether there are 499 other people with the same bike or 2500 I will still enjoy mine just the same.

[MeanMachine]

Yeah, it says limited release in that article. It never says what it is limited to though.

THAT is precisely the reason for all this discussion!

[MeanMachine]

Update:

When I research Honda's press releases, and other articles about the Repsols, they use the term "Limited Edition" when talking about the 2005s, and "Special Edition" when referring to the 2007s.

I am wondering if they are making more 2007s because they sold well in 2005 and the reason they brought it back this year was because of Hayden's victory in MotoGP. IDK, just speculating. But it seems that there are more 2007s available at dealers this year than we saw in 2005.

[MeanMachine]

I am with MeanMachine I am pretty damn upset about this situation. I guess us North Carolina boys don't enjoy being suckered for our hard earned dollars!!:mad:

Where in NC?

[Thomkat]

I didn't hear about dealers getting multiples in '05. Maybe one dealer , here and there, got more than one but I've seen a few places advertising multiple '07s.

I got my '05, in May of that year, and I had to search pretty good to get one. I'm divided by the whole thing. I love my rides but I wouldn't pay more than sticker for it, not after the '05 debacle.:mad:

[Ultimate Repsol]

Where in NC?

Jacksonville MeanMachine:D

[djalkyd]

I talked to my magazine guy and he was telling me that we could do much more damage to honda by passing the word to other groups and forums, that most cycle mags will not want to bash honda to badly becuase they get free things from honda for doing ads for them.

like here at energy suspension, I give out free stuff all the time to magazine people just for a free article in a magazine.

So finding a magazine that would be willing to attack a big meal winner would be the hard part.

I am upset about the whole thing also but as madmachine said, they are calling the 07's "Special Edition". They could be considered limited, there are probably more of the red and black 1000's than ours.

We did pay $500 more than a regular 1000 for a paint job, imagine how much this paint job would have been if you had it done at a local shop? $500 is a lot better than $1500.

I will continue to work on the magazines to see what i can come up with.

[yamahonda]

Man, we should just get the member sa57449 to go up to Honda headquarters wearing his fed uniform, guns and all, to get some straight answers! http://www.repsolforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302&page=2

[Thomkat]

Where in NC?

Jacksonville MeanMachine:D

Greensboro area !!!

[MEGA]

So far I have not seen a 4 digit number, ie: 1012, etc. So far they have all been 0xxx.

i CHECKED AND I AM 1036.
SUDDENLY I DONT FEEL SPECIAL ANYMORE.

[1eyebrother]

There is nothing yet set in stone on how many were made...lots of people jumping to their own #'s....From what I was told from a very reliable source is that the Repsol were in the same production run as the other Honda CBR 1000rr's....meaning if honda produced 10,000 cbr 1000rr's in 07, u could have from #1-10,000 depending on when it was produced....and how do we know that the last 4 or 5 digits are the number for the repsol bike, I have yet to see that anywhere from Honda????

[michaelarussell]

I agree with most here. . . . . I bought mine for the paitn scheme, so much that I traded my '0 CBR1000RR which is exactly the same bike but it sucks that I was a little mislead.

[silvercbr]

If the average dealer gets only 1 Repsol (some get more, some get none), how many dealers are in the United States. Our state is small and I know of about 8, each only getting 1 probably. So what do you think, maybe 700-800 in the United States total. I think this sounds high, that is a lot of Repsols to sell to a niche market.

[yamahonda]

From what I was told from a very reliable source is that the Repsol were in the same production run as the other Honda CBR 1000rr's....meaning if honda produced 10,000 cbr 1000rr's in 07, u could have from #1-10,000 depending on when it was produced...

Hmm... I saw #0009 at Berkeley Honda/Yamaha in CA. But didn't the other colors come out a couple months before the Repsol? I would think many more than 8 of the other colors of '07 were produced before the first '07 Repsol. But yeah at this point I'm not sure what the hell those numbers really mean anymore. I've kinda given up on the idea of it really being "limited".

[MeanMachine]

Hmm... I saw #0009 at Berkeley Honda/Yamaha in CA. But didn't the other colors come out a couple months before the Repsol? I would think many more than 8 of the other colors of '07 were produced before the first '07 Repsol. But yeah at this point I'm not sure what the hell those numbers really mean anymore. I've kinda given up on the idea of it really being "limited".

Its my understanding that the Repsols ARE numbered consecutively, but in a different VIN number run. The beginning numbers are different, which is why the insurance companies know by the VIN when its a Repsol. The Repsol numbers are NOT mixed with the other 1000RRs.

[Big Kahuna]

The Repsol models are numbered, it's a fact, although this guys will have you believe that there is only 500 ever made:

HARD TO FIND ONLY 500 MADE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CBR-2007-HONDA-CBR-1000-REPSOL-LTD-EDITION-LOOK-LIKE-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ49999QQihZ015QQitemZ250103301761QQrdZ1)

[MeanMachine]

The Repsol models are numbered, it's a fact, although this guys will have you believe that there is only 500 ever made:

HARD TO FIND ONLY 500 MADE (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CBR-2007-HONDA-CBR-1000-REPSOL-LTD-EDITION-LOOK-LIKE-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ49999QQihZ015QQitemZ250103301761QQrdZ1)

Yeah, I saw that too.

Only 500 made, and the one he is selling is #560 of 500!

[MEGA]

The Repsol models are numbered, it's a fact, although this guys will have you believe that there is only 500 ever made:

HARD TO FIND ONLY 500 MADE
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CBR-2007-HONDA-CBR-1000-REPSOL-LTD-EDITION-LOOK-LIKE-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ49999QQihZ015QQitemZ250103301761QQrdZ1)

if so im # 1036...must mean, more than 500 where made.

[MeanMachine]

if so im # 1036...must mean, more than 500 where made.

Definately more than 500 in 05. And way more than 500 in 07.

[cb1974]

Yep...My 05 is 1020

[ogie]

I talked with a rep at Barber this weekend and he told me that he figures about 1200 07's. He told me they don't have any definate numbers but by what he has seen he belives there are less 07's than 05's. At Barber there was my 07 an 07 at the honda tent and I saw one 07 parked outside the museum. I also saw about 3 or 4 05's.

[Jacobs Dad]

Mean Machine is right. My insurance card shows that it is a repsol and I didn't even tell them that. Still need to post my vin# since my #49 isn't the only one out there. I think thrasher has the same last 4 digits.

[Thomkat]

From what I put together on the microfiche, the JH2, means that it is a HONDA motorcycle manufactured in Japan, the SC57 is the model, then there is a number, or letter, that denotes if it is a fake VIN, then a letter or number for the year, then the factory ID letter, then the sequential serial number.

If I remeber correctly, that factory ID letter is the HOOK for whether it is a factory assembled REPSOL or a copy-cat. The REPSOL was only manufactured in the in the HAMAMATSU plant. I may be talking out of my A$$ on this but I'm pretty sure that I read this info somewhere.

[TX Repsol]

in the HAMAMATSU plant. I may be talking out of my A$$ on this but I'm pretty sure that I read this info somewhere.

You can't be talking out of your ass - I don't think I could make up a name like that! :D

[MeanMachine]

I talked with a rep at Barber this weekend and he told me that he figures about 1200 07's. He told me they don't have any definate numbers but by what he has seen he belives there are less 07's than 05's. At Barber there was my 07 an 07 at the honda tent and I saw one 07 parked outside the museum. I also saw about 3 or 4 05's.

I spoke to two different Honda sources this week that both told me 3700 07's. Two seperate sources telling me the same number leads me to beleive there is some credibility. And from what many of us have seen, there certainly seems to be alot more 07's than 05's. Almost every dealer I have seen in my area has had two, and some claim they can get another. The 05's were hell to find.

[TX Repsol]

Al Lambs Dallas Honda had 7 of them :eek:

They've got two less now!

[tnine]

Allright, I have to put my 2 cents in on this. I looked at this bike forever and ever. I wanted it because it's beautiful, but didn't want it becuase it stood out soo much that if another was near, it would seem cheesey. After being told that it wasn't just a "production color", that it was actually going to be "limited", I changed my mind and bought it. And to hear, now, there will be an infinite number of them. Man, I feel swindled. However, there is a good part. Honestly, it is the best looking bike that's been out in a while. It also snaps the neck of all of my little Indiana natives. And just to boot, it is probably one of, if not THE, best riding bike I've been on. And that isn't a small number. This thing is all the bike I'm gonna need for while. As for the ID numbers game, mine is 0729? Don't think it really means anything. I also have every piece of paper that the bike has had attached since leaving the plant. Useful for only nostalgia. I would like to hear Honda reply on why they call it "limited/Special" if they are going to make all of them that we want.

[Jacobs Dad]

Thrasher and I have found the vin # on our bikes differ by by this: Before the M on the middle vin, mine is 457, his is 547, so we now know the last 4 :p digits don't mean sqat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Thomkat]

+1 on the swindled. I came in late on the '05, bought a house and car then realized I COULD get the bike too, by that time it was May. Contacted five dealers in the area, all the same answer...GONE. Finally had someone call me back, said they could get one from a dealer in the neighboring state...sweet.

Damn if I didn't walk into a dealer, two hours away, about two weeks later, out for the day with wifey, and there one sat on a floor....for $10,500

I thought about holding out for the '07 but I just wanted the damn thing, they are SWEET looking bikes. I have to say, the '05 is a little less spooky to ride though......seems a little more predictable to me.

[MEGA]

So far I have not seen a 4 digit number, ie: 1012, etc. So far they have all been 0xxx.

Mine says 1036.
i was also missled when i bought it.
but all the same i love my bike.
When people asume my bike is better than thiers and they also have a 1000rr i just stay quiet.
i dont mention its just a paint scheme. i like the attention.:D

[RepsolWPB]

If someone really wants to know how many and at the same time squeeze Honda just go to your local courthouse and pay a couple hundred dollars to file an action against Honda based upon fraudulent inducement. Once you have the action started you can serve Honda with what they call written interrogatories which they HAVE to answer. Ask them how many Repsols of both years. You could also ask them to produce copies of all press releases they issued relating to the Repsols. If your dealer also told you they are limited edition you can join the dealer in the lawsuit. Dealers love that.

I agree with those who say the Repsol is worth the extra $500, but also recognize i could have bought a left over '06 for $9,000.

You want to feel good, I bought my MV for $23K, then the importer dumped their left over inventory, dealers dropped their prices I sold the bike with 2K miles for 13 so the MV cost me like $7 per mile to ride. Oh well, at least it went bye bye..good riddance.

[yamahonda]

If someone really wants to know how many and at the same time squeeze Honda just go to your local courthouse and pay a couple hundred dollars to file an action against Honda based upon fraudulent inducement. Once you have the action started you can serve Honda with what they call written interrogatories which they HAVE to answer.

If all the members here pitched in a buck or two we could come up with the cost to file the action. Anyone have time to go to court for this?

[Big Kahuna]

Thrasher and I have found the vin # on our bikes differ by by this: Before the M on the middle vin, mine is 457, his is 547, so we now know the last 4 :p digits don't mean sqat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Are you saying the last 4 digits of your vin numbers are the same? For the same year bikes? I don't see how that is possible. I can't seem to find it right now, but I know that I read something from Honda stating that for at least the Repsol '05 versions the Last 4 digits of the vin represent the production number.

[Big Kahuna]

Also, I think a production run of maybe 3700 (worldwide) bikes would easily be considered as limited if you take into account how many CBR1000RR there are made for each year.

[Thrasher]

Its possible look in my gallery:eek:

[Big Kahuna]

Okay, I see your's Trasher...

http://www.repsolforum.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=244&c=3&userid=94

But I want proof from "Jacob's Dad". :)

[toptaz1000rr]

the 1 per dealer is BS ... my dealership had 34 in 05... from what i have gathered it is between 3200-3500.. not really any more than that

and 2007 is close to the SAME

[toptaz1000rr]

Are you saying the last 4 digits of your vin numbers are the same? For the same year bikes? I don't see how that is possible. I can't seem to find it right now, but I know that I read something from Honda stating that for at least the Repsol '05 versions the Last 4 digits of the vin represent the production number.

the last 4 are the PRODUCTION run ... so my crashed bike was 904TH REPSOL out of "3500"

[toptaz1000rr]

my dealer ship had 39 ... most in the whole country ... realistically 05 was around 3000 .. 07 alot less

NOT every dealer got repsols.. some asked for them and got NONE..

[cowboyadam]

my dealer ship had 39 ... most in the whole country ... realistically 05 was around 3000 .. 07 alot less

NOT every dealer got repsols.. some asked for them and got NONE..

The dealer where I bought mine had 3, I got the last one. Then when I picked it up he said that there was only 50 left in the US warehouse. This was in middle march.

[MeanMachine]

the 1 per dealer is BS ... my dealership had 34 in 05... from what i have gathered it is between 3200-3500.. not really any more than that

and 2007 is close to the SAME

my dealer ship had 39 ... most in the whole country ... realistically 05 was around 3000 .. 07 alot less

NOT every dealer got repsols.. some asked for them and got NONE..

Can't make up your mind? If you were that sure you wouldnt be changing all the numbers around. 34 or 39? 3000 or 3500? 07s the SAME or alot less?

The 05s were a hell of a lot harder to find than the 07s have been. And I have a hard time beleiving any dealer got upwards of 40 repsols in 05. I would need proof before I swallow that one whole.

[toptaz1000rr]

Can't make up your mind? If you were that sure you wouldnt be changing all the numbers around. 34 or 39? 3000 or 3500? 07s the SAME or alot less?

The 05s were a hell of a lot harder to find than the 07s have been. And I have a hard time beleiving any dealer got upwards of 40 repsols in 05. I would need proof before I swallow that one whole.

to be honest i do nt care what you belive.. i know what was sitting on my showroom floow.. 34-39...WOW big difference... sorry 2 years later i am still sure it was in the mid 30's

and 07's are 'were ALOT harder to get and made alot less of them .thats a FACT!

[hondapowered]

I like the let's all put in a couple of bucks and get Honda to disclose the factual data via legal persuasion..... I am in on that one :evilgrin:

[MeanMachine]

to be honest i do nt care what you belive.. i know what was sitting on my showroom floow.. 34-39...WOW big difference... sorry 2 years later i am still sure it was in the mid 30's

and 07's are 'were ALOT harder to get and made alot less of them .thats a FACT!

It wasn't just the number at the dealer that was different, In one post you say the number of 2007s were about the SAME then you turn around and say there were alot less. You also changed your mind on how many 05s were made. All I said was if you were that sure you wouldnt waffle back and forth, and do a total 180 on the 07s. You changed everything you said.

34 to 39 all at one time? Thats pure BS and I would be willing to wager any amount that you are either making that up or you have a tendency to overexxagerate quite a bit. 07s alot harder to find? Also BS. A few others on here have already said the exact same thing I have, that the 05s were really hard to come by when you tried to get one but it seems like the 07s are easier to find this year. EVERY Honda dealer in my area has/had 07s, there were three 05s two years ago.

I can't imagine that anyone on this forum actually beleives that there were 34 to 39 05 Repsols all lined up at ANY one dealer at one time.

What dealership was this? Name & Location please?

[MeanMachine]

from what i have gathered it is between 3200-3500.. not really any more than that

and 2007 is close to the SAME

Close to the same... that was two weeks ago... But now,

07's are 'were ALOT harder to get and made alot less of them .thats a FACT!

Even though you can't keep your own statements consistent, I do love FACTS.

So prove it. Shouldnt be too hard if its indeed a FACT as you said. I am sure we would ALL love to see what you have since no one has been able to get any definitive answers from Honda (or any official source) on production numbers. Share with us all why dont you? :rolleyes:

[toptaz1000rr]

ny honda yamaha in long island city ...

34-39 total in 2005
not at 1 time ... over the perioud of about 7 weeks.. thats a FACT have your dealer ask honda about it .. it was there and it was a fact ..

i never did any 180

sorry i mis qupted myself 3000-3500 .. WOW HUGE difference...

wow you caught me ... shame on me .. 2 years later and i am off on a # that HONDA wont release ... but ill be my 07 repsol that in 05 NY HONDA YAMAHA had 34-39 TOTAL for sale..

what do you wanna wager smart guy ... ill bet a bike.. what do you have or are the stakes to high for you

little people make me laugh

[MeanMachine]

i know what was sitting on my showroom floor.. 34-39...

Here is what you said (since you can't keep track yourself). That sure as hell reads like it was what you saw at one time. Maybe you need to learn how to express yourself properly and make better use of the damn english language.

And again, you refuse to address why you REVERSED what you said about the number of 07s vs the 05s. And, you used the word FACT. Back it up or shut your mouth jerkoff. I love how idiots like you express thier "opinion" and then say its a fact.

One more time, whats your basis for the "FACT" you are so sure of?


07's are 'were ALOT harder to get and made alot less of them .thats a FACT!

[TX Repsol]

:rocketlauncher::shoot::ninja::soapbox::poke::fryingpan:

:eek::eek::eek:

[MeanMachine]

i never did any 180


Really? Here it is then (again, you can't keep track of your own stories)

Here you said between 3200 and 3500 05s, and 2007 was CLOSE TO THE SAME.

from what i have gathered it is between 3200-3500.. not really any more than that

and 2007 is close to the SAME

Then two weeks later in the same thread you say the opposite.


07's are 'were ALOT harder to get and made alot less of them .thats a FACT!

Of course, how could you prove this FACT, when you admit it would be impossible with the following statement:

i am off on a # that HONDA wont release ...

So if Honda won't release that information, then how is it a FACT that there were alot less 07s than 05s when no one can possibly know how many of either were made?

You really are an idiot.

[1eyebrother]

Wow, I thought we already beat this dead horse...... kind of a funny thread to read, keep it going....:D

[The Doctor]

Anyone need Popcorn or Hotdogs.................:D:D:D

[diel11]

:D

[hondapowered]

hmmmm no definitive or supportive content to back up the facts? :D

[toptaz1000rr]

Here is what you said (since you can't keep track yourself). That sure as hell reads like it was what you saw at one time. Maybe you need to learn how to express yourself properly and make better use of the damn english language.

And again, you refuse to address why you REVERSED what you said about the number of 07s vs the 05s. And, you used the word FACT. Back it up or shut your mouth jerkoff. I love how idiots like you express thier "opinion" and then say its a fact.

One more time, whats your basis for the "FACT" you are so sure of?

actually JERK off... go **** yourself by the way ... i can and will get proof that the dealership that i am talking about had 34-39.. i think it was 34..

but little boys like you that still live with mommy can sit there and think what you want .. internet tough guys...

oops.. sorry little boys.. oops.. ill reverse that AGAIN .... little girls...

what do you have 1 bike... hmm i put my 05 repsol .. 07 repsol .. and 06 HM plant version bike on the line.. put up or SHUT Up .. little girl go play with your dollls...

[toptaz1000rr]

hmm and i know for a FACt taht someone here emailed NY HONDA YAMAHA asking about what they got cause i got a call from the owner telling me about the email ..

so who ever it was now you have PROOF that dealer got 34 or 39 whatever it was ... so who was putting up .. i had my bike on the line... who is the little girl that called me out ... ???

[hondapowered]

Woa easy pal, that was my daughter on the bike? I think the little girl statement was about me? I was not calling anybody out, I was asking if anyone had proof or paperwork on the subject.... I think it is hard to read emotion thru text, so I apologize if you felt attacked... I was merely thinking out loud and the question was not fired at you but a general what if somebody out there had some other type of info to share. I dont live with mommy, I am not a tough guy, just lost my wife after 10 years, and I have several bikes but they are not worthy of this forum so why bother listing them? At any rate sorry if I offended anyone else for that matter but really I did not know how hot people were getting just hoped there was more info to shed light on the subject, Thanks HP scott 727-488-0555

[toptaz1000rr]

Woa easy pal, that was my daughter on the bike? I think the little girl statement was about me? I was not calling anybody out, I was asking if anyone had proof or paperwork on the subject.... I think it is hard to read emotion thru text, so I apologize if you felt attacked... I was merely thinking out loud and the question was not fired at you but a general what if somebody out there had some other type of info to share. I dont live with mommy, I am not a tough guy, just lost my wife after 10 years, and I have several bikes but they are not worthy of this forum so why bother listing them? At any rate sorry if I offended anyone else for that matter but really I did not know how hot people were getting just hoped there was more info to shed light on the subject, Thanks HP scott 727-488-0555

my comments was not directed at you it was directed DIRECTLY at meanmachine.. who has NO clue ..

do not take it offensivly to you was not meant as such ..

ride safe.

[hondapowered]

Ohh alright thanks for the reply...:) Safe is Good the same 2 U

[The Doctor]

John, dude, you need to relax a bit. I've notice you seem to get your feathers ruffled quite easily, and quickly jump on other members. Remember, we are all friends here and each have our own set of knowledge to bring to the forum. I'd like to keep this site friendly and attacks like these are becoming more and more prevalent.

So, what's the difference if someone wants to put a sock on there bike, for whatever reason. Nothing is ever set in stone, bikes vibrate, screws loosen. Anything can happen and who knows, in the event that something does happend, it would probably be beneficial to have the sock on there. Sure, probably never happen, but who can really say for sure?

Mean
You need to chill !!!!!!, perhaps you need to read the above quote by the man himself...........;)

There are only a few members on here compared to other Forums......can't we all just get along.
We all have one common interest.........REPSOLS........:):)

Sometimes the written word can be interpreted in many different ways. I bet if this topic had been discussed face to face over a beer it would have had a completely different outcome.

C'mon guys....Group Hug.........:D:D......Let's put this topic to rest....;)

Just my 2 cents

Borofc

[krzbrit]

AMEN !!:stars::stars::focus:

[Thomkat]

The left, the left, give him the left !!!!!!! I'm tired of the "how many" question, these bikes aren't THAT exclusive, they are just sweet.

By the way, in June of '05, I didn't see ANY Repsols on Ebay, not to mention at a reduced price:D:D:D:D:D Just trying to create some laughter around here!!!!

[Big Kahuna]

I'm really not sure why this has escalated like it has. Who really cares how many Repsols were made, or how many Repsols were sold out of each shop.

I know (don't ask me how) that toptaz does have some insider knowledge (especially from the shop in NY), so even if he hasn't put the words to text as fluently as some might have hoped, he does know something about the numbers from that shop.

If you all still feel the need to discuss this further, can we please do so without all the personal attacks and name calling. I bet if we were all sitting around the coffee shop after a nice ride, we'd be discussing this much differently. :)

[krzbrit]

Bottom line for me..the only # that matters is "1", as in the ONE that's in MY garage. In 30 years of motorcycling, it's the best m/c I've owned.
I constantly get looks everywhere I ride it.
If your really interested in "limited editions", the Franklin Mint has a whole catalog of products.;)

Regards to all.
kb

[M2Repsol]

OK, I am a bit confused. :confused2: I remember Honda calling the 2005 the "Repsol edition," but I don't remember it ever being called a "limited edition" by the manufacturer. Yes, I have heard a lot of salesmen and riders call it a limited edition, but I honestly do not recall ever seeing it in any official Honda publications. Can someone please find me a copy of the official Honda document that claimed it was a "limited" edition?

I think that may be the confusion...people have called it a "limited edition;" but Honda never made that claim. Now, if the bozos down at your local Honda shop said that, well...their just bozos!

Cheers! M2

[M2Repsol]

Was just looking at Honda's web site, they don't even call the 2007 the "Repsol edition." They just show it as being the Blue/Orange/White/Red colored bike (Honda code 229517) for $500 more than the other colors.

But I did find a Honda media release (http://world.honda.com/news/2004/2041020.html) that said, and I quote:

"Honda will also launch a limited-release CBR1000RR Special Edition, with the same coloring as the machine run by the Repsol Honda Team in the MotoGP FIM 2004 Road Race Championship Series—the pinnacle of motorcycle road racing. The Special Edition will debut on Tuesday, November 9.

Coloring on the CBR1000RR Special Edition features ‘Repsol’ lettering on both side cowls over a keynote of Pearl Siren Blue, and also includes a sponsors’ sticker kit."

Now, what Honda defines as "limited-release" is subject to interpretation; but is it grounds for a civil suit? No more than the "new and improved" labels on laundry detergent.

But all this machts nicht to me, I love the Repsol livery from the first time I saw Mick Doohan racing the NSR500 in MotoGP, and when I saw the first CBR1000RR in those colors at the Brussels Motor Show in 2005, I knew I had to have one. And it is still one of the sexiest and most attention-drawing motorcycles out there!

Cheers! M2

[toptaz1000rr]

Was just looking at Honda's web site, they don't even call the 2007 the "Repsol edition." They just show it as being the Blue/Orange/White/Red colored bike (Honda code 229517) for $500 more than the other colors.

But I did find a Honda media release (http://world.honda.com/news/2004/2041020.html) that said, and I quote:



Now, what Honda defines as "limited-release" is subject to interpretation; but is it grounds for a civil suit? No more than the "new and improved" labels on laundry detergent.

But all this machts nicht to me, I love the Repsol livery from the first time I saw Mick Doohan racing the NSR500 in MotoGP, and when I saw the first CBR1000RR in those colors at the Brussels Motor Show in 2005, I knew I had to have one. And it is still one of the sexiest and most attention-drawing motorcycles out there!

Cheers! M2

it is a LIMITED PRODICTION RUN .. i am sure that they only have permission to do a certian amount ... they have to get permission from REPSOL i am sure

[MeanMachine]

actually JERK off... go **** yourself by the way ... i can and will get proof that the dealership that i am talking about had 34-39.. i think it was 34..

but little boys like you that still live with mommy can sit there and think what you want .. internet tough guys...

oops.. sorry little boys.. oops.. ill reverse that AGAIN .... little girls...

what do you have 1 bike... hmm i put my 05 repsol .. 07 repsol .. and 06 HM plant version bike on the line.. put up or SHUT Up .. little girl go play with your dollls...

Toptaz you can go **** your mother... again. Since that is the kind of language you understand best I'll speak in your native toungue. Then you get into the gradeschool I have more than you do. I guess the rest of the group that have one bike are inferior to you as well, since you have three. :eek: All I have is a 2005 Repsol and a 2000 929. That must mean you know what you are talking about since you have three bikes an I have two. Oh well...

Notice he still says nothing to back up his bull**** FACTS he talks about. The truth is you talk out your mouth and your ass and you can't remember which end says what. Your feedback rating on ebay also says ALOT about the type of person you are. If anyone here is curious, read what MANY of his buyers say about him and read is pathetic nasty responses to them. He acts the same way on ebay as he does here. He is a scumbag and I am not the only one who sees it. You won't see many ebay sellers with ratings that low. And that is a fact :D

I was born and raised in Brooklyn, and I still come up there quite a bit. I will let you know when I will be up next and we will meet see who the internet tough guy is. Just because I live in NC now don't think its safe for you to run your mouth, its not. And I can back it up.

You said it was a FACT that there were alot less 07s than 05s. ONE last time, answer the question. Where do you get your information from? Every time I ask you just get more pissed off, but refuse to acknowledge the question. You want to say "its a FACT", then back it up or admit you were talking out of your ass.

To the rest of you as far as my short fuze is concerned, I have a low tolerance for bull**** and contempt for people that use the word FACT to back up thier pathetic opinions because they think that one little word will add credibility to what they say. I apologize to the group in general for my part in this.

[TX Repsol]

To the rest of you as far as my short fuze is concerned, I have a low tolerance for bull**** and people that use the word FACT to back up thier pathetic opinions because they think that one little word will add credibility to what they say. I apologize to the group in general for my part in this.

I completely understand where you're coming from on the whole FACT thing, but will say that this has really escalated way beyond what it ever should have been.

Like everyone says above, if we were chatting in person, this would have been a completely different scenario. Sure there would've been a little disagreement, but I know it wouldn't have led to fisticuffs.

So far, this site has remained small and extremely friendly. I'm hoping it stays that way...

I'm no moderator, but I'd say this should go to pm's if it continues between MM and TopTaz - let's not drag the whole board down over one crazy little discussion.

Were I an admin, there would be a lot of posts deleted in this thread.

Getting off my :soapbox:

[krzbrit]

Has anyone ever considered that "limited edition" may just mean limited to 2005 and 2007?
There was no 2004 model, no 2006....I'm no lawyer, but I could argue this one.
So, lets get real...Honda is in the business of making money.If 500 people want one, they'll make 500. If demand is such that they know they can sell 2000, they'll make 2000.
If they make 2000, and there is still demand, they may decide to make more.It keeps the majority of customers happy, it keeps the dealers happy, and it makes them money, plus they get an expanded customer base with the associated greater on road "presence".
I see nowhere in the 2007 literature that a number is mentioned. I asked at the Long Beach Motorcycle Show how many would be available. The response was "I don't know, but dealers will receive a quantity based on 2006 sport bike sales."
And don't blame the dealers..If you truly take a salesperson at their word, shame on you. You wanted one, so you made a deal. Live up to that responsibility.
I made a deal in 10 minutes...no gouging, no lies. It was their last one, so they could have tried to work me, but I paid less than msrp. Plus tax & lic of course. No "set up and delivery" BS. Other dealers in Socal were quoting me $1500 to $2500 more than I paid. Some dealers are honest, some are not. My dealer never tried to insinuate that there were a finite number, just that they were out of their allotment. They have not received anymore.This was my first new purchase from Honda in over 10 years, I will buy from them (and this dealer)again.

Regards to all...hoping to see everyone at Laguna,
kb

[toptaz1000rr]

wow i am sooo scared... HA>. not really .. i know the truth and i have talked to dealers that deal DIRECTLY with higher people in honda... come to NY do you think i care... your a LOSER and thats aparent ...

this clown is part of the reason that i wanted nothing to do with this site ... and hes more of the reason that people have discussions like this one ...

when you do not know what you are talking about then you can try to amp stuff up all you want ..

have a nice life .. crash and go away

[toptaz1000rr]

so when are you going to be a MAN mm and put up .. ill PROOVE That dealer had 34-39 REPSOLS i can PROOVE IT AS A FACT ..

PUT up little gril ... or are you all talk ..hmm i think you are

go away squid

[RepsolRoss]

Was just looking at Honda's web site, they don't even call the 2007 the "Repsol edition." They just show it as being the Blue/Orange/White/Red colored bike (Honda code 229517) for $500 more than the other colors.

But I did find a Honda media release (http://world.honda.com/news/2004/2041020.html) that said, and I quote:



Now, what Honda defines as "limited-release" is subject to interpretation; but is it grounds for a civil suit? No more than the "new and improved" labels on laundry detergent.

But all this machts nicht to me, I love the Repsol livery from the first time I saw Mick Doohan racing the NSR500 in MotoGP, and when I saw the first CBR1000RR in those colors at the Brussels Motor Show in 2005, I knew I had to have one. And it is still one of the sexiest and most attention-drawing motorcycles out there!

Cheers! M2

My dealer did refuse to give me the $300 Honda Bucks incentive that was on the CBR1000RR when I bought mine. They claimed that reason being was that the Repsol has a different model # than that of a 'regular' 1000RR. I didn't care that much, $300 in accessories would have been nice, but I wanted the bike bad enough and they had already allowed a $500 discount off MSRP. Not to mention they were the only dealer I knew of that had one. I had to go to Houston from Austin to get it. Tried to get one from the dealer in Austin, but no dealer in the nation would give them one.

I'd call all these facts (yes I said facts, this all happened to me and I witnessed it) that the "Repsol model" is LIMITED (in availability at least). Who cares, I have one and I love it!

[MeanMachine]

so when are you going to be a MAN mm and put up .. ill PROOVE That dealer had 34-39 REPSOLS i can PROOVE IT AS A FACT ..

PUT up little gril ... or are you all talk ..hmm i think you are

go away squid

OK, one more time. First, what I said was that I did not beleive that the dealer had 34 or more at one time, which is exactly how you worded it. If they sold that many over a period of time, fine. But as far as what I originally said, I was right. Put up what exactly? There is no more discussion to be had over that, I said I did not beleive there were that many at one time, there were not, its done. Re-read what I said and you will see that you are going on and on and on about something thats redundant. Again, so it will sink in, I said I did not beleive any dealer had that many AT ONE TIME. I think we are done with this one.

Second, I hope everyone notices how this guy still refuses to acknowledge what he said and still ignores the simple request to back up his claim that it is a fact that there were alot less 07s than 05s. Why is it you can't answer that question, why is it all you can do is act like an ass? Again, answer the question which someone else has even asked you to do. Supporting data, anything? Or will you post more personal attacks and totally ignore the question yet one more time?

What you ARE proving is the type of person you really are, which is backed up by your horrendous feedback on ebay and the comments made by numerous people that have dealt with you. At this point you simply want to argue, nothing more.

As far as you not wanting anything to do with this site, great. Leave.

[Big Kahuna]

Welcome to our first closed thread.

Thanks guys, with talk and personal insults like this, I'm sure it won't be long until we turn this place into ever other forum on the net.

:sleep:

I apologize to those who actually contributed useful information to this thread without demeaning others but this is just getting ridiculous. I'm sorry I let this go on as long as I did, but I was hoping that this would all work out and we would somehow get back on track. Obviously I was wrong.

Oh, and RepsolRoss... I wouldn't worry too much about losing that $300 dealer cash. I don't know how the dealers are in Texas but around here, $300 at the dealer would probably only get you a hat and a t-shirt.