Moving the REAR reservior Rep'07

[salvaje]

Anyone ever move or hide the rear reservior on their bikes? I dont like the way it just hands there after removing the rear pegs.

[jbigelow]

Anyone ever move or hide the rear reservior on their bikes? I dont like the way it just hands there after removing the rear pegs.

+1

i hate it too!!!!

-john

[NEFF]

like this?

[diel11]

Look for a g-craft rear reservoir. They look like this. If you need pics of it installed let me know and I'll take some. They bolt on right to the master cylinder.

[salvaje]

That is exactly what I am looking for. I did a couple of searches for the g-craft rear reservoir, but only find forums talking about it. Any ideas on where to order this from?

[diel11]

If we got site sponsors, try them first. I got mine for about $90.00 or so. Make sure you get type 4

[cb1974]

Do you guys happen to have a picture of one of those installed?

[diel11]

Here you go. Sorry about the pic quality, Treo.

[MEGA]

Here you go. Sorry about the pic quality, Treo.

do they make it for the 05?

Where did you get that rear hugger and how big is the hugger...
price also?

[salvaje]

is that the silver g-craft? it looks chromed out.....

[Big Kahuna]

I know Mike (CTSmoto) had some in his shop the last time I was there, but he also mentioned that he would be making his own soon. Any word on that Mike?

[salvaje]

I was speaking with Mike earlier via email. Trying to get those CTS rotors down here in my shop in NY. If Mike is deff going to produce these reserviors than I'll wait on purchasing mine.

[diel11]

do they make it for the 05?

Where did you get that rear hugger and how big is the hugger...
price also?

Mine is a 05. They will fit all model years.

I made the rear hugger, used the stock as a mold but added a couple of inches.

[cb1974]

Thanks for the pictures Diel11! That is slick. I think i am going to put one on my wifes 05 and my 07. My wife just saw the pic and wants it on her Repsol. When the wife wants one, that is always a good sign :D

[highside]

I have the old G Craft, type 1, never had a problem with it. Here's some pics of both the Repsol and the HM Plant 600.

[diel11]

Thanks for the pictures Diel11! That is slick. I think i am going to put one on my wifes 05 and my 07. My wife just saw the pic and wants it on her Repsol. When the wife wants one, that is always a good sign :D

No problem at all. BTW, sounds like you have a keeper there!:D

[cb1974]

No problem at all. BTW, sounds like you have a keeper there!:D

She is actually really understading when it comes to bikes and my passion for them. I guess that is because she rides. I still have to talk her into aftermarket or performance stuff like exhaust, fender elim, etc.... I am trying to get a dyno tune out of her right now, but that one is not going so well, but i will overcome :D

[diel11]

Stay strong brother!!

[dazbuster]

did mine last night along with goodridge kevlar lines (and my first brake bleeding mission - actually pretty easy except sheareing the fancy red nut in kit)

before...
793

after...
794

gold reservoir from ebay (aus - ratedr parts) 165 aus dollar
lines ebay usa 104 (us dollar)

[diel11]

is that the silver g-craft? it looks chromed out.....

It's just the light. It's the silver one. I'm not into chrome stuff at all.

[tribaltim]

Dude these resivors are awsome I just got the new Vortex rears on mine and I was thinking about taking the passenger pegs off and getting them powder coated so they match the bike and the rear's.

[salvaje]

They do look great, but my back brake is still muchie. I bled the reservior twice and its still not as tight as the stock.

[tribaltim]

Yea the day after they put my new vortex rears on the switch went out. I took it back and they replaced it but let's just hope the rear light works from now on out......

[salvaje]

I am looking at getting the Vortrex's. I just dont like that the pegs do not have the spring in them.

[tribaltim]

Yea I'm still trying to get used to that but they more that make up for it once my feet are on them!

[salvaje]

Thats the exact reson why I need to buy them. The Repsol isnt made for tall rdiers. My knees start aching after a hard run down a mountain.

[tribaltim]

Yea I hear ya all 5'6" of me!

[salvaje]

Yea I hear ya all 5'6" of me!

6'3" 250lbs. Not pretty trying to cram my legs on those stock pegs leaning over, but it feels so good. :p

[yamahonda]

6'3" 250lbs. Not pretty trying to cram my legs on those stock pegs leaning over, but it feels so good. :p

Im not quite as big as you, 5'11" 205lbs. but yeah its a tight crunch and I LOVE it!! I sat on all the '07 big 4 liter bikes and I expected the gixxer to be the most aggressive but I think the cbr1000rr takes the cake....maybe cuz the pegs are so high, but again, I love it. :D:D

[fredie]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12023&d=1120033426 :D

[msalser1000]

I am putting my bike back together and need one of these where is the best place to purchase one?

[TX Repsol]

I am putting my bike back together and need one of these where is the best place to purchase one?

www.superbikesupply.com - $90 for the G-Craft

[JohnnyComeLately]

You might see if Brad at SuperBikeSupply still has the blue ones.. You won't se e many around.

[Repsol47]

I am putting my bike back together and need one of these where is the best place to purchase one?

Id consider one of these....

[rene]

Found this one on the bay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270293393280&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&viewitem=
I think its not the same quality as G-craft and the conection isn't straight as it should be for the 05 so this version will leaning backwards.
Not sure this is a problem
If it fitt this will save you a lot of $$$$$

[Teamzigen]

Id consider one of these....

That's what I got on my Repsol! Way better than the G*Craft. Looks like you finally got it Anthony! Now only 3-Repsols only have this. Gunther @ HareRacing had it on his 05' Repsol then I got it now Anthony? Let's see the install pix on your bike Anthony.

[repsol78]

Id consider one of these....

Which one is that?

@Teamzigen: do you have pictures of it installed?

[Teamzigen]

Which one is that?

@Teamzigen: do you have pictures of it installed?
Here you go...took'em this morning @630am before I rode to work.

[JRepsol]

Sweet set up.

What brand is that?

Who carrys/sells them???

I wanna be the fourth

[Teamzigen]

It's actually a Honda Motocross Bike Part...

[repsol78]

Here you go...took'em this morning @630am before I rode to work.

Thanks, looks good! :cool:

[Repsol47]

Fixed....much easier to see. :D

[rene]

It's actually a Honda Motocross Bike Part...

Witch one Teamz.?
Looks great and I want to have it to.:cool:
Do you have partnumber and/or type of the bike?

[Teamzigen]

Fixed....much easier to see. :D

Thanx Anthony! Did'nt have time to edit pix. Part# 43500-KZ4-J42 $117.95
Not sure what bike but it's definiteley on a Honda Motocroos Bike.

If you wanna be like everyone else, get the G*Craft. But if you wanna be different and unique, this is the one to get! Looks and performs Great!!!...
You may have to Fab R&D a metal shim to go between the reservoir and the rear set. And don't forget to shave off the bracket-hinges from the rear sub-frame too.

[rene]

Thanx Anthony! Did'nt have time to edit pix. Part# 43500-KZ4-J42 $117.95
Not sure what bike but it's definiteley on a Honda Motocroos Bike.

If you wanna be like everyone else, get the G*Craft. But if you wanna be different and unique, this is the one to get! Looks and performs Great!!!...
You may have to Fab R&D a metal shim to go between the reservoir and the rear set. And don't forget to shave off the bracket-hinges from the rear sub-frame too.

Thanks Ferdie.
Had a look at oemmotorpart.com and they are 270 $.
Way to much to for this mod.

[JRepsol]

That reservior would look sweet with a set up I saw in a old thread "Mod of the Month Contest" by a (now bannned) member...

Its the Thorsten Invisible Rear Caliper

Whats everyones thoughts on this???

I know the caliper is smaller which = less braking power

My question is how much less??? Enough to notice a substantial difference???

And is there a US distributor or would I have to order from Durbahn in the UK??

Dont want to hijack just been meaning to ask

[ECMFab]

Yea the day after they put my new vortex rears on the switch went out. I took it back and they replaced it but let's just hope the rear light works from now on out......
Thats funny.. Rear light switch with the rear brake?? Huh?? LOL Bail that crap.

I am looking at getting the Vortrex's. I just dont like that the pegs do not have the spring in them.
Then stick with the factory pegs. You dont need that folding peg.

They do look great, but my back brake is still muchie. I bled the reservior twice and its still not as tight as the stock.
Somewhat mushy is good. Less trouble. Thats why its absolutely pointless to put a braided line on the back.

That reserviour would look sweet with a set up I saw in a old thread "Mod of the Month Contest" by a (now bannned) member...

Its the Thorsten Invisible Rear Caliper

Whats everyones thoughts on this???

I know the caliper is smaller which = less braking power

My question is how much less??? Enough to notice a substantial difference???

And is there a US distributor or would I have to order from Durbahn in the UK??

Dont want to hijack just been meaning to ask

Id say go for it unless you only use the rear brake which isnt good. Looks kinda cool. I only fixed my rear brake to pass tech inspection. Other than that, I forget its there. I cant trail brake worth a crap and pretty much refuse to use it at all.

[JRepsol]

Id say go for it unless you only use the rear brake which isnt good. Looks kinda cool. I only fixed my rear brake to pass tech inspection. Other than that, I forget its there. I cant trail brake worth a crap and pretty much refuse to use it at all.

Makes sence...

So anyone know where I can pick one of these bad boys up?

[Teamzigen]

Thanks Ferdie.
Had a look at oemmotorpart.com and they are 270 $.
Way to much to for this mod.

OMG!!!???!!! $270!!!??? that's $152.05 more than when I gots mine! Got it a montha and a half after I got the Rep'07. I can't believe how much the $price$ went up on the part!

[Repsol47]

Thanks Ferdie.
Had a look at oemmotorpart.com and they are 270 $.
Way to much to for this mod.

Rene,

www.ronayers.com (http://www.ronayers.com) has it for 108.02

http://www.ronayers.com/BrowseParts.cfm?product_id=43500-KZ4-J43

May cost more with shipping to your location.....Is that why you got a quote of 270.00?

[rene]

Rene,

www.ronayers.com (http://www.ronayers.com) has it for 108.02

http://www.ronayers.com/BrowseParts.cfm?product_id=43500-KZ4-J43

May cost more with shipping to your location.....Is that why you got a quote of 270.00?

I'm not sure why there is a big diference but this price is ex. shipment.
I think someone want to drive a big car??:D
www.oemmotorparts.com is a european distribution center.
I'm going to have a look at ronayers, who knows.
Thanks a lot Anthony

Had a look, they dont ship international.

[Teamzigen]

Rene,

www.ronayers.com (http://www.ronayers.com) has it for 108.02

http://www.ronayers.com/BrowseParts.cfm?product_id=43500-KZ4-J43

May cost more with shipping to your location.....Is that why you got a quote of 270.00?
Yeah, good lookin' out Anthony! Did you get it installed on your Bike?

[Repsol 07]

OMG!!!???!!! $270!!!??? that's $152.05 more than when I gots mine! Got it a montha and a half after I got the Rep'07. I can't believe how much the $price$ went up on the part!

I have a new one in the garage (Part# 43500-KZ4-J42), good offer takes it :)

I'll ship it anywhere in the world as well!

[rene]

Which part number is the right one?
There are 2 numbers in circulation now.

Part# 43500-KZ4-J42
Part# 43500-KZ4-J43

[Repsol47]

Part# 43500-KZ4-J43...Is the current version.

[Teamzigen]

I have a new one in the garage (Part# 43500-KZ4-J42), good offer takes it :)

I'll ship it anywhere in the world as well!

You got the wrong part Paul, got's to be J43 not J42...

[JRepsol]

Which part number is the right one?
There are 2 numbers in circulation now.

Part# 43500-KZ4-J42
Part# 43500-KZ4-J43

Rene,

Definitively find out which is the right part number for certain... I order this reservior from ebay and got it today...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=350139068079

Doesnt fit... I have an 07 repsol and the bolt wholes do not line up...

Im going to have to try to fabricate some type of adaptor bracket

[Repsol47]

I measured the OEM rearset, the Vortex rearset, and the actual Master cylinder on my 05....from eyehole to eyehole, its 1 3/4"

[Repsol47]

I have a new one in the garage (Part# 43500-KZ4-J42), good offer takes it :)

I'll ship it anywhere in the world as well!

Whats the measurement from eyehole to eyehole?

[JRepsol]

07 Stock rear sets measure just about 1 1/2 inches...

Dont quote me... thats tape measure accuracy

Didnt break out the caliper

[Teamzigen]

Rene,

Definitively find out which is the right part number for certain... I order this reservior from ebay and got it today...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=350139068079

Doesnt fit... I have an 07 repsol and the bolt wholes do not line up...

Im going to have to try to fabricate some type of adaptor bracket

^^^Yes John, I had to R&D a bracket to install between the reservoir and the rear set in order for it to fit well.

[JRepsol]

Was it because the bolt holes where off or because there was a gap and you need to create a shim?

[Teamzigen]

Both.

[Repsol47]

what does the bracket look like?

[Teamzigen]

Really small and thin. I'll have to remove and take a pix of it. The spacer plate-shim-bracket, whatever you wanna call it is 3 inches by 1 inch & 'bout as thick as a stack of 3 quarters for sure. I'll try this wknd but, might be busy because I'll be working at the IMS-motoexpo @ San Mateo Expo this wknd and it's the last wknd before X-mas week. Super busy!!!

[rene]

Thanks Guys, I wait to see how this works out

[Repsol47]

I have a new one in the garage (Part# 43500-KZ4-J42), good offer takes it :)
I'll ship it anywhere in the world as well!

Ferdie, do you know this dude?
He is in your next of the woods.

[Teamzigen]

Ferdie, do you know this dude?
He is in your next of the woods.


Yes Paul, good friend of mine bought his Rep'07 a week after I got mine. Unfortunately sold her 'bout a month ago. Said it was too much bike for him and just got a Suzuki track bike that he likes better. Go figure, lol... as long as he's happy with it that's all that matters.

[Repsol47]

Tell him to get back in here so I can ask him about that part he wanted to sell.

[JRepsol]

Tell him to get back in here so I can ask him about that part he wanted to sell.


Anthony,

If you want you can buy the one I have $40 and Ill ship it for free

[Repsol47]

Im waiting to see if Ferdie can post a pic of that adapter he made for his....Im kinda puzzled as to what it looks like.

I thought maybe the one you got and the one that Ferdie has were 2 different reserviors....but it appears that they may be the same, or at least have the same issue.

[JRepsol]

:+1:

[rene]

Any news (pics) from the crf rear master cilinder guys??

Got my new rear set so I can messure the distance from hole to hole now and see with one fits
Thanks

[Repsol47]

Waiting for a pic from Ferdie.....since his is installed using that adapter plate.

[JRepsol]

Still waiting for Ferdie's example as well...

And I've been too lazy :yawn: to try to fab something myself..

At first glance it doesnt look like its going to be a big deal but I'll keep you posted.

[rene]

Still waiting for Ferdie's example as well...

And I've been too lazy :yawn: to try to fab something myself..

At first glance it doesnt look like its going to be a big deal but I'll keep you posted.

Witch partnumber is your mastercilinder and what is the distance between the mounting holes (hart/hart)

[JRepsol]

Dont know the part # because I bought it from an auction that Anthony suggested from ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350139068079&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&viewitem=

(Hart/Hart)??? From center to center of each mounting point its about 1 1/2"

Im not even sure if Im still going to use it because Im not removing my rear pegs so there really is no need.

If your interested in it let me know I'll sell it to you for $40 plus shipping (what I paid)

[rene]

Dont know the part # because I bought it from an auction that Anthony suggested from ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350139068079&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&viewitem=

(Hart/Hart)??? From center to center of each mounting point its about 1 1/2"

Im not even sure if Im still going to use it because Im not removing my rear pegs so there really is no need.

If your interested in it let me know I'll sell it to you for $40 plus shipping (what I paid)

Wasnt Anthony interested or am I wrong on this one?
Dont want to get in trouble with this guy:D:D
Is new or used?

[JRepsol]

No sure... Lets ask him...

Anthony,

Are you still interested in this reservior???

Its used

[rene]

No sure... Lets ask him...

Anthony,

Are you still interested in this reservior???

Its used

Sorry no interest, I just convert the 1 1/2" into mm and that is not going to work.
I need 1 3/4" (45mm) center to center
Sorry

[JRepsol]

Thats what I need as well...

Aparently this type of mod requires a fabricated bracket no matter which part number you use

[rene]

Thats what I need as well...

Aparently this type of mod requires a fabricated bracket no matter which part number you use

Ok, lets wait for the pics.(hope someone post)
I'm interested how this looks.

[TX Repsol]

Thats what I need as well...

Aparently this type of mod requires a fabricated bracket no matter which part number you use

Why is everyone so wrapped up around this dirt bike master cylinder when it's not only more expensive than the G-Craft, but also requires some sort of custom bracket?

Seems so much easier (and better looking) to just get the G-Craft or something similar... :confused2:

[Repsol47]

Because it cleans up that area very nicely...you can grab it via eBay for aprox 40 bucks.

[Teamzigen]

Waiting for a pic from Ferdie.....since his is installed using that adapter plate.
Sorry guys, just finishing up New Year's with the family. I'll try to detach the R&D bracket I made and take a quick pix of it and post by this week. For sure this coming wknd. Trying to get over my whole episode with the "Red" & "FI" light and looking for a shop that has better technicians. I got Evolution Suspension in SJ, Performance Concepts in Pinole, and Nichol's Mfg in Milpitas. I really want to go to Pinole and have Patrick Ho, look at my Rep'07 but, Nichol's Mfg. most likely because only 5 mins frm where I'm at. Happy New Year's Everyone!!!

[JRepsol]

Why is everyone so wrapped up around this dirt bike master cylinder when it's not only more expensive than the G-Craft, but also requires some sort of custom bracket?

Seems so much easier (and better looking) to just get the G-Craft or something similar... :confused2:


Not to knock the G Craft (which does look super trick):sweet: but the dirt bike master cylinder is completely invisible... which is the look I was trying to go for especially since I was considering dropping some coin on the invisible rear thorston caliper

And like Anthony said... I picked mine up on ebay for $40

[repsol78]

Not to knock the G Craft (which does look super trick):sweet: but the dirt bike master cylinder is completely invisible... which is the look I was trying to go for especially since I was considering dropping some coin on the invisible rear thorston caliper

And like Anthony said... I picked mine up on ebay for $40

You're right, I can't see it. :)

[TX Repsol]

Not to knock the G Craft (which does look super trick):sweet: but the dirt bike master cylinder is completely invisible... which is the look I was trying to go for especially since I was considering dropping some coin on the invisible rear thorston caliper

And like Anthony said... I picked mine up on ebay for $40

That's TopTaz's bike - what a ***** he was. :D

[JRepsol]

Yes it is... Just posted as an example of what I am trying to achieve

From the threads I've been reading I heard he was a real dick... Hence his ban

I would love to know where he got this set up though...

Wish I knew an american distributor...

[JohnnyComeLately]

*SIGH* Can't we stop the TopTaz bashing?? He didn't piss EVERYONE off. He did me right.

I like his rear set up though...

**YES, I know it's a bit hypocritical for me since I bash 1000RR.net every chance I get, but it's because the problems are ongoing and I'd like to keep them as a reminder of how a board can go bad... very bad...

[rene]

Yes it is... Just posted as an example of what I am trying to achieve

From the threads I've been reading I heard he was a real dick... Hence his ban

I would love to know where he got this set up though...

Wish I knew an american distributor...

2 sec google
http://shop.durbahn.de/shop/en/products/Rear_Brakes_superlight/Durbahn

[rene]

Nice smart a$$...

But I wrote AMERICAN distributor...

I wrote durbahn several emails but no responce... I would rather order locally than overseas...

But thank you for your valiant effort

There site is available in English, isn't that enough?:evilgrin:
Whats wrong with overseas??

[JRepsol]

Whats the measurement from eyehole to eyehole?

07 Stock rear sets measure just about 1 1/2 inches...

Dont quote me... thats tape measure accuracy

Didnt break out the caliper

Witch partnumber is your mastercilinder and what is the distance between the mounting holes (hart/hart)

Dont know the part # because I bought it from an auction that Anthony suggested from ebay...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350139068079&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&viewitem=

(Hart/Hart)??? From center to center of each mounting point its about 1 1/2"

Im not even sure if Im still going to use it because Im not removing my rear pegs so there really is no need.

If your interested in it let me know I'll sell it to you for $40 plus shipping (what I paid)


You didnt see me call you out on a question you asked that was already answered in the thread now did I?

[JRepsol]

There site is available in English, isn't that enough?:evilgrin:
Whats wrong with overseas??


Yes its available in english but I rather deal with someone local... Cheaper shipping and if I have a problem I can deal with someone face to face rather than through email...

BTW..

WHATS GOOGLE???

[rene]

You didnt see me call you out on a question you asked that was already answered in the thread now did I?

You are right about that, but that hapened in a moment of inattention (LOL):D

[JRepsol]

But yet you find it in your heart to try and play me out...

How sweet

[JohnnyComeLately]

WHATS GOOGLE???

Here ya go!!
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Square that number is you want a Google-plex

[TX Repsol]

*SIGH* Can't we stop the TopTaz bashing?? He didn't piss EVERYONE off. He did me right.

I like his rear set up though...

**YES, I know it's a bit hypocritical for me since I bash 1000RR.net every chance I get, but it's because the problems are ongoing and I'd like to keep them as a reminder of how a board can go bad... very bad...

I'll stop TopTaz bashing if you'll stop with the '08/'09 bashing! :eek::D:eek:

And I threw a smiley in there and everything...

[Radical Rich]

08/09 bashing will not stop from people with taste! JK. anyway I still love my Rizoma rear resv. Dam if I could only get one for the clutch. I know mogno has a version but I dont think I can do that. Im gonna pm him to see if he can rig one up for me.

[JohnnyComeLately]

I'll stop TopTaz bashing if you'll stop with the '08/'09 bashing! :eek::D:eek:

And I threw a smiley in there and everything...

You got me over a barrel on this one....I'm going to have to think about this one... :p;):D















OK, let the Top bashing continue

(cuz I surely don't see how you guys like those rear ends at all and the front makes me think the bike is retarded LOL "Saves weight" OK, yeah and Indy cars are open cockpit but you don't see me taking a sawzall to my Trans Am to race it:rolleyes:).

[MogNo1]

Whos TopTaz? :confused2: He anything like Fredie? :confused:

[JohnnyComeLately]

Whos TopTaz? :confused2: He anything like Fredie? :confused:
He's a guy who was a regular here and on 1000rr.net, who also sold stickers. For example, I needed a sticker to make my Iridium aftermarket windscreen match the Repsol graphics and he had a version where he'd stretched the middle for double bubble graphics (so it'd still line up). I bought those and Honda/HRC stickers for my rims. I think he got overwhelmed with business/other stuff and had a personality that could rub some the wrong way. He seemed to have a somewhat coarse personality, which some could say so do I....so maybe that's why I didn't have problems with him.

I bought rim stickers, windscreen and he threw in some free Hayden #1 (with 69 ghosted in the middle) stickers and Michelin Man (for the front fendger).

[TX Repsol]

Whos TopTaz? :confused2: He anything like Fredie? :confused:

Do an Advanced search on here or 1000rr.net with TopTaz1000rr's name - you'll find threads with him in it. Every single thread will have him yelling at people, calling them idiots, blaming them for his mistakes in fulfilling their orders, telling people to go to hell and don't ever try to do business with him again because he doens't need their money, you name it.

The guy was a royal *****, had the worst customer service in the entire world, and his products were only so-so to begin with (I know, because I bought some of his stuff). There's a reason he gets banned from every forum he joins.

And JCL - this isn't TopTaz bashing, I'm only answering a question for MogNo... :D

[MogNo1]

Yeah this guy rings a bell.......think he was beofre my time but i remember reading some posts somewhere about a guy that produced decals with really crappy service! Remember something about the buyer never receiving the decals and the guy would swear black and blue they were sent and the buyer was lying about receiving them so they'd get a second set or something! Might have to look this guy up.....seems like some interesting reading! :D