PCV / Autotune 07 RR

[arthurbikemad]

Hi all, I am about to fit a PCV and Autotune to my 2007 CBR1000RR tomorrow, just wondered has anyone had a play with one? All looks good on paper. I have a PC3 now with Full Akro, BMC, Open Ram air and PAIR mod etc.. Power is very good and crisp so I guess the reason behind the PCV and Autotune is perfect fuel/air at all times, I think it will be good for the road as the conditions vary so much.. I also am going to fit the multimap switch which has new features on the PCV such as locking the automatic fuel mapping etc..
I am very excited about the whole thing as I have tuned bikes for many years and I see this as a whole new era in digital fuel management.. woo hoo..

Fingers crossed it's all good...

[medic7984]

the only time i played with one was a couple weeks ago when I installed a PCV to my 09 and it wouldnt read on my laptop and the bike wouldnt start. turns out I got a bad unit. So I had to send it back. Waiting on the replacement

[rsxscrazy]

the only time i played with one was a couple weeks ago when I installed a PCV to my 09 and it wouldnt read on my laptop and the bike wouldnt start. turns out I got a bad unit. So I had to send it back. Waiting on the replacement

thats not a good first impression!

[07repsol09]

Hi all, I am about to fit a PCV and Autotune to my 2007 CBR1000RR tomorrow, just wondered has anyone had a play with one? All looks good on paper. I have a PC3 now with Full Akro, BMC, Open Ram air and PAIR mod etc.. Power is very good and crisp so I guess the reason behind the PCV and Autotune is perfect fuel/air at all times, I think it will be good for the road as the conditions vary so much.. I also am going to fit the multimap switch which has new features on the PCV such as locking the automatic fuel mapping etc..
I am very excited about the whole thing as I have tuned bikes for many years and I see this as a whole new era in digital fuel management.. woo hoo..

Fingers crossed it's all good...I have the pcv and the autotune on my 09 repsol with the arrow full ti comp system. It works really well. The only thing is that the pcv is for 09 models only according to power commander. Unless something has changed.

[arthurbikemad]

Well that's the odd thing mate! I asked the same three times, and as a dealer for dynojet uk now for over four years I am still confused to why they say "it's made for an 09 bike, and will be marked up for an 09 bike, but the order will work with the 07!" They say that it will be fully supported for all 09 models and officially available for earlier models. Very confusing hey...
Anyway later today I will confirm if all of this is true..I hope so.

It will properly be like the first ones that need spliceing into the loom.. :confused:

[HondaRepsol07]

I have the pcv and the autotune on my 09 repsol with the arrow full ti comp system. It works really well. The only thing is that the pcv is for 09 models only according to power commander. Unless something has changed.

I've also heard that the V is only for the 09.

[arthurbikemad]

Well at this point I wonder if I should have said.. :O Im sure they will want to produce PCV for as many bikes as they can. I think it will back date to around 06, after that I am not sure. I have sold my PC3 to a customer so all my eggs are with the PCV! I want 100% fuel to air so I could not resist PCV and Autotune...but then im a sucker for new gagets..lol

[MogNo1]

I was also under the impression the PCV was only for the 08/09!

Its like most things, if they made it compatable with the 06/07 then they would pretty much cut the pants out the market for the PC3USB which is still available and in production! I very much doubt you can use it mate......very rarely to they make a new product and make it backwards compatable......its not smart business!

[arthurbikemad]

OK today the PCV turned up and guess what? It dont fit! I had my reservations hence why I kept asking the question "DO THEY DO IT FOR AN 07" Yes they said, three times...



Well it don't the 09 PCV interfaces with no.1 and 4 primary injectors it also has a male and female 6 pin connector that sits between the loom just under injectors 2 and 3, on the 07 the PC3 interfaces with injectors 1,2,3 and 4 and the TPS sensor on the left... Anyway the story now is Mr Dynojet is going to mod a CBR600RR PCV to fit the 07 1000! I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what turns up and how it runs. So I may have PCV yet? A part of me whats to throw in the towel and stay with the KNOW PC3, what would you do? Try it? I guess in the name of performance it's a must! It's only now that they tell me I'm the first to try the PCV on a pre 09 bike...?

[rsxscrazy]

OK today the PCV turned up and guess what? It dont fit! I had my reservations hence why I kept asking the question "DO THEY DO IT FOR AN 07" Yes they said, three times...



Well it don't the 09 PCV interfaces with no.1 and 4 primary injectors it also has a male and female 6 pin connector that sits between the loom just under injectors 2 and 3, on the 07 the PC3 interfaces with injectors 1,2,3 and 4 and the TPS sensor on the left... Anyway the story now is Mr Dynojet is going to mod a CBR600RR PCV to fit the 07 1000! I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait and see what turns up and how it runs. So I may have PCV yet? A part of me whats to throw in the towel and stay with the KNOW PC3, what would you do? Try it? I guess in the name of performance it's a must! It's only now that they tell me I'm the first to try the PCV on a pre 09 bike...?


Ouch hope you get it all worked out!!!

[arthurbikemad]

Well after a lot of time and effort (it would seem) the PCV is working with Autotune. The PCV is far more than an upgrade to the PCIII.
The Autotune is the nuts! My bike is soo smooth it's the bizz, its as good as it was from stock just with more power, no more redialing throttle all the time to keep the front down the bike just drives hard out of turns! I have the map switch too so I can remind myself what it was like with the base map or I can run autotune at the flick of a switch. Highly recomended!! Well pleased.. :)

[MogNo1]

Well after a lot of time and effort (it would seem) the PCV is working with Autotune. The PCV is far more than an upgrade to the PCIII.
The Autotune is the nuts! My bike is soo smooth it's the bizz, its as good as it was from stock just with more power, no more redialing throttle all the time to keep the front down the bike just drives hard out of turns! I have the map switch too so I can remind myself what it was like with the base map or I can run autotune at the flick of a switch. Highly recomended!! Well pleased.. :)

Personally I'd like to see the same bike Dynoed with the PC3 and then the PCV Dynoed and results compared! In the end they both do the same thing! As for the auto tune feature which I gather maps the bike without a Dyno....I'd find it had to beleave it does a better job than a Dyno with a quality opperator!

[HondaRepsol07]

Personally I'd like to see the same bike Dynoed with the PC3 and then the PCV Dynoed and results compared! In the end they both do the same thing! As for the auto tune feature which I gather maps the bike without a Dyno....I'd find it had to beleave it does a better job than a Dyno with a quality opperator!

Where the PCV is better is the fact that it adjusts your map on the go as it measures ambient conditions such as air flow etc. But on the dyno, like you said Alex, both the PCIII and the PCV would get the same readings because it's the fuel mixture that gives you the grunt, not the actual commander.

[MogNo1]

Where the PCV is better is the fact that it adjusts your map on the go as it measures ambient conditions such as air flow etc. But on the dyno, like you said Alex, both the PCIII and the PCV would get the same readings because it's the fuel mixture that gives you the grunt, not the actual commander.

True but you can also put a hooker in a $1000 designer dress but in the end it's still a hooker! My point being, do the extra features really give you any realtime practical benifits! Sure it can make any nessesary adjustments as you ride along but what actual impact does that have in the real world? Is it worth trading a PC3 up? I seriously doubt it!

[arthurbikemad]

Thrust me the Autotune is worth the money. The map that I had from my PCIII was converted for the PCV, so the PCV is (as said) doing the same job, also the wideband sensor IS gathering the same data that the dyno does. As for the operator he can only make a compromised map for that day on the dyno, the autotune does that job real time and thousands of times faster, so I do not agree, race teams now run autotune for its obvious benefit's and they are proving there worth on track. I am a dealer for dynojet and wanted to fit the PCV to my 07 blade that I love so much. The results are outstanding. I can flip from a fixed map to the autotune, so my friend you can have the cake and eat it.. :)

[MogNo1]

Well from what you have said at the very least the PCV is no worse than the PC3 which is always a bonus! So what were the install issues if any? Was it a straight forward cut and shut like the PC3? I think you need to install a sensor in the stock O2 sensor in the exhaust for it to take the real time data dont you? One issue with that is for people with a full system....like me......no port for the O2 sensor in those aftermarket headers.....would mean a trip down to a local metal shop for some TIG welding to be done! Besides that.....anything else? You just port your PC3 map across or was there some messing about? What have you found to be the pros and cons in the switchout?

[arthurbikemad]

All good questions mate, the PCV is pretty much just plug and play (some wireing to do), you do need a converted 06/07 1000rr map to start with or Dynojet will convert your old map file for you. You do need a lambda sensor hole in the exhaust but most like my full akra evo race have them already, for those that dont Dynojet include the threaded adaptor in the pack so you can have it welded in your system as you said. I don't know that there is much more to be had from just switching from a PCIII to the PCV unless you are looking into the Autotune. I did talk to three other dyno centres about Autotune (after installing it) and two of them had nothing good to say about it, even though they had not run one up? The other one agreed with me and people like you that the Autotune is better for people that don't have direct access to a dyno! Not that a good base map will not give a good foundation for the Autotune to work from. If you are looking for perfection IMO the Autotune is the way to go, the wideband sensor has been used to obtain AFR readings for years so it is proven in the race/drag background for years, it's just the tech to put that into practice that has not been given to us in the form of the Autotune. One of the Dyno centres said, there is no better way to map the bike than a qualified tuner, as you said too I don't fully disagree with that but in the same breath he said we spend hours setting up bikes for the track, but if you ask me and this is done days before a race and at different altitudes etc then how can that be good tuning? For best results the tune needs doing as close to the track time and day as possible, otherwise it will be out, OK this may not be by much and after all a little here and there who can tell but if you want it spot on then you will need to be on the ball with climate etc.. The big bad point with the Autotune is the sensor, it is subjet to carbon etc and does have a short life, some say up to fifty hours!! Thats a short life on the road but a hell of a lot of time on track. Hey there are always bad sides, but what if you were to remove the sensor after mapping and then replace it at each 1000 miles to update the map as the motor wares/beds in? Anyway I am pleased with the results and I have checked the secondary map many times after ride outs and it has made adjustments each time, some big and some small. What is also a good point is some of the maps I have seen fron good tuners/dynos have a lot of zeros in, is that good tuning...? At least the smaller updates that Autotune achieves are an effort at perfect fueling..perhaps disregarded by some tuners.. Any thoughts?? I only share this info for the interest of others. This is the first real 07 test with the PCV.. hope it's interesting for you all.. :)

[MogNo1]

You know you were starting to win me over until you indicated the lifespan of that realtime exhaust sensor....50hour? :eek: Id imagine it would cost a pretty penny also! I'd suggest this sensor longevity issue will be addressed at some stage since it's not realistic to expect the owner to continually pull the sensor and periodically reinstall for an update! It sorta defeats the purpose of having that sensor in the first place if a majority of the time your riding about without it! Still, has been very informative on this redesign! I always was someone for new gadgets and if they fix the sensor longevity then it may be something I might consider!

[arthurbikemad]

Well it was something I read on another forum, I will ask them if that is true. I am the same mate, love gadgets and I think prob the reason why I wanted to give it a go... Went out again last night on updated firmware and accepted the changes from the preveouse ride so that alows another 20% of change, the 20% can be adjusted but is there as a net should the PCV try and make big changes that are incorrect. I am impressed with the system but I have got to ask about that sensor life... :)